The original post by @spujb@lemmy.cafe was a woman wearing a shirt that says “Italians do it better”. Someone asked what they do, and drag explained the joke as best as drag understood the intention, though drag disagrees that Luigi killed that CEO. It’s not a call for violence, it’s an explanation of a joke. Other people interpreted the joke the same way.
Less than an hour later, Flying Squid banned drag for that explanation, and for saying Luigi is not guilty. According to Flying Squid, referencing the CEO shooter case and saying Luigi didn’t do it is a call for violence. Expressing support for Luigi Mangione is a bannable offense on LemmyShitpost.
EDIT: The Picard Maneuver responded to drag’s appeal and reversed the ban. Drag will be deleting this post as it is no longer relevant to the current state of affairs on Lemmy Shitpost.
You were banned for saying “Kill billionaires”.
Not for saying “Luigi Mangione isn’t guilty tho”.
Even if you didn’t mean it as an invitation or incitement to homicide and merely as an answer, completion, or riff to the previous statement, on its own it can be interpreted that way.
I’m rooting for Luigi too, I don’t feel sorry about the death of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, and I do think billionaires shouldn’t get comfortable with profiting from our suffering. But the mods reserve the right to remove stuff they feel could get them in trouble, chances are someone did interpret it this way and made a report (wasn’t me I swear). There may be certain contexts, communities, instances, where this is allowed but you will have to determine that or ask.
One would have to be a moron to take that as an imperative rather than as an answer to the question. That’s bad moderation.
Squid called me a facial analysis expert because i said i didn’t think Luigi looked like the suspect photos lol
So it’s a pattern of Squid getting on the case of people who think Luigi didn’t do it?
I think you’re being a little bit facetious; surely you can see that while yes, you technically answered the question, you didn’t phrase it in the form of an explanation. I’m not pearl-clutching and accusing you of condoning the murder, but that response was pretty obviously toeing the line at best.
It wasn’t obvious to drag. Maybe that’s because drag has autism, and needs to expend conscious effort to think of ways drag can be misinterpreted. Drag would edit it for clarity if drag could, but bans prevent editing comments.
Dragon Fucker is playing the victim after making up shit about other people? No way.
Oh, no, you’re misunderstanding how drag feels. Drag doesn’t feel like a victim at all. In fact, drag feels quite fortunate not to be the kind of person who gets mad at out of context quotes. It’s kind of life-affirming, to be the sort of person who struggles to think that way.
Dude, give it a rest. You’re entire third person, trolling, abusive comments, and always playing the autism and “i dont understand” card is old and tired.
Im honestly surprised you haven’t been banned from every server yet like your old “dronerights” accounts were last year.
You say you’re not playing the victum, yet here we are in a topic you created to whine.
You’re welcome to think every nonbinary person is the same individual if you like. But drag’s intention with this post was to warn others that LemmyShitpost isn’t a safe space. Not everything in the world is about drag, silly.
What in the world are you talking about. Everything can be tracked here.
You were banned for being a pain in the ass and constantly accusing users of being transphobic, just like the other places you’ve been banned
Are you sure you’re not dronerights?
While I’m personally inclined to agree with drag that that was quite clearly answering a question and not an imperative, I also don’t think that it should be frowned on to protect the instance one moderates from potentially being taken down.
Lemmy is still (relatively) small enough that it can fly under the radar, but that’s not going to last forever.
Well, maybe someone who reads the context on comments could take over protecting the instance and give Squid a break. He mods so many communities, it’s clear he’s overworked.
Squid participates in mod abuse, but you’re clearly arguing in bad faith.
Good that so, I am surprised how many mods just straight up ignore or support glorification of violence, respect to him for enforcing the rules consistently even if it’s an unpopular decision
Power mods gonna power trip …
PTB.
If ending a joke is promoting violence, where are the bans of the people defending Harris, Biden or the Democrat party, for promoting a violent genoocide ?
And where are the bans for the people saying Luigi should be locked up? Imprisonment is a violent act.
Who’s big as titties are those though?
Bruh
So you were explaining the joke, sure. But then added your opinion that the pertubator didn’t do it and wasn’t guilty of committing that crime?
That’s borderline a call for violence which is against the rules of that community. Sorry but YDI and you should do better.
well he’s innocent until proven guilty and he hasn’t been proven guilty yet, has he?
Well you got a point there.
That’s right, Luigi didn’t do it. The feds are telling us the CEO Shooter was a master planner who timed the kill perfectly and used a 3D printed disposable gun. But now they’re saying they found Luigi in the next state over WITH the disposable gun. It doesn’t make any sense. The government is lying to us. And that’s not a call for violence.
So you are a detective and a judge now? Cool cool.
Did you forget cars exist?
Drag thinks he should be further away, not closer.Chozo saw the comment notification and thought for a moment that you were Drag explaining himself.
Fuck, it’s contagious.
You used the reflexive pronoun “himself” when the last pronoun you had used previously was “drag”. That’s not proper grammar. You’re supposed to use a reflexive pronoun to refer to whoever you just referred to a minute ago. And you certainly weren’t using “himself” to refer to drag, because drag isn’t a him.
No, drag thinks the killer disposed of the disposable gun that’s meant to be disposed of in New York. Probably at the bottom of the Hudson or somewhere. The feds even said they dispatched divers to search New York’s waterways. It makes no sense for the killer to still have the gun, and that’s why drag thinks the killer didn’t have the gun. The feds found the gun, and then planted it on Luigi. It might even have been in that backpack they found, the one with the monopoly money.
I suppose it’s just a really convenient coincidence that he also had a years-long social media history that all but spells out his plans word for word, and then also a manifesto that likely does spell out his plans word for word.
I’m leaning toward it being mangione, but I also think the substack post could have been posted by the FBI to pad their evidence. The gun, money, and note found on him would be easily planted by the cops. I don’t value police testimony in this situation at all, given the “faraday cage” they described and their long, long history of planting or exaggerating evidence.
Especially because it’s not exactly hard to find people who talk shit about the health insurance industry and “like” quotes by the unabomber. I am not personally capable of violence, but I’m sure I’ve said “the industrial revolution and its consequences” in response to kafkaesque advanced capitalism or news of yet another climate change marker.
They look similar and mangione fits the vibe of the shooting, but I do think that the FBI could probably find 2-3 more people with the same vibe who look similar if they really had to- it’s a big country full of people with grudges against insurance and he’s not too distinctive looking.
Oh, someone definitely planned for that fact. But drag isn’t quite sure who. Either Luigi took the fall on behalf of the CEO shooter because he agreed with him and wanted to protect him, or the cops combed social media to find a fall guy with similar appearance and views. Maybe a combination of both. The only sure thing is that the story the government is telling us doesn’t make sense. The guy perfectly planned an assassination with an exit strategy, and then showed a fake ID to the cops and started shaking when it didn’t clear? The feds are lying about something.
Okay
