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- asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml
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- asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml
Something something rent, profit of enterprise, and interest are surplus value under the rule of Capital
Something something rent, profit of enterprise, and interest are surplus value under the rule of Capital
Well, that presupposes there may be peasants in this world, such as Southeast Asia or South America
Sorry I’m being flip but it’s funny to effectively advocate to literally do the same bullshit Lenin did to the peasants to the lumpenprole gig workers by destroying and remaking their industry at cost to them.
It’s like reading history to repeat the same mistakes.
I guess I did an error by not investigating more into lumpenprole (something something Mao quote). If you can explain your side, maybe I’ll understand, but if you’re just here to win an argument, then I forsake it, due to my ignorance…
The 3 basic components of “workers” of socialist classes are:
Their 3 classical class enemies are:
The overarching story of socialism is that:
The problem with what you’re advocating is the fact that it falls into the same trap that Lenin fell into with the peasants. He attempted to force the economic conditions that proved his theory rather than theorize from the economic conditions that existed. He never had an answer for what to do with peasants and how they fit into the equation, he also never made good on his promises to them.
Likewise you have the same problem now except worse, while Russia had many peasants they weren’t the majority, the US or <your favorite country here> because of finance capital has a majority of lumpenproletarians who are effectively beat down. Attempting to run the Lenin playbook on these people is just literally slowly killing them over time while still extracting value from them. Given that these people make up the actual masses, unless you actually understand lumpenproles and activate them into proletarians you’ll never have a “revolution” or a political movement. Even worse if you somehow eke one out counter revolutionary forces will eat you alive because lumpenproles are quite open to the reactionary self serving trickery that counter revolutionary forces would employ to get them on your side. It’s why Trump never goes below 38%.
The bad news is that this is purely greenfield theoretical space that isn’t really explored in theory or practice by most historical socialist theorists, and given that there are no new serious socialist theorists to be found it’s a bit dire.