• RidderSport@feddit.org
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              25 days ago

              What expansion? The last two countries joined as result of Russian aggression. The ones before joined because they themselves had experienced that only the membership in a strong alliance can potentially safe them from annexation (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland [the last after a deal with literally Hitler]). And once again tell me, why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing when you don’t intend to invade said countries?

              Don’t want to invade your neighbour? Then their NATo-membership is not a problem, hell how about trying to join yourselves?

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                What expansion?

                why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing

                how about trying to join yourselves

                You went full circle jerk implying no expansion exists, but then immediately contradicting yourself.

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                  Where is the contradiction?

                  What expansion?

                  Doubting the expansion of NATO.

                  Why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing?

                  Hypothetical question after which context is provided, “when you don’t want to invade them?” Asking a hypothetical question is not contradictory to doubting the expansion.

                  How about trying to join yourself?

                  I don’t understand why you quoted that.

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                    You went from implying no expansion has occurred, to implying such expansion is a good thing without any consequences, to finally preaching that all who hear your ‘wisdom’ should try joining NATO themselves.

                    Are these the differing stages of grief before acceptance of failure?

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      The point is not to hold more Russian land than Russia holds Ukrainian land (lmao). It’s to deplete their reserves and destroy their economy - which has been working out well, all things considered. You can regain every meter of occupied territory without firing a shot if the Russian state is brought to its knees.

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        The same talking points (propaganda) that falsely predicted a Russian economic collapse within moments of western sanctions when the war started years ago.

        the Russian state is brought to its knees.

        Imagine not being a simp to western hegemony and not wanting humans to suffer in any country.

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          that falsely predicted a Russian economic collapse within moments of western sanctions

          Nobody predicted an immediate collapse. Stop making things up. One look at Russia’s economy shows that the sanctions are highly effective nonetheless.

          Imagine not being a simp to western hegemony and not wanting humans to suffer in any country.

          Imagine being a simp for a mafia state run by the richest man on the planet hellbent on destroying a sovereign nation at the cost of his own people. Doesn’t get much shittier than this, doesn’t it?

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          Fucking troll.

          Putin said he was gonna roll over Ukraine, and we all thought he was gonna roll over Ukraine.

          What has been shown is that Putin and his war machine is a fuckin removed.

          Ukraine has been going toe to toe with Russia for fucking years now.

          Sure Ukraine has been propped up, but Russian has had to empty prisons and make deals with Iran and North Korea for military aid. Talk about the Axis of evil clowns.

          I have almost no respect for Russian leadership. Almost less respect than I do for my next president.

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      It’s not a proxy war if the primary aggressor is the great power - that’s just a war of aggression

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      [Sorry, you just committed an act of Wrongthink™. Currently supporting Nato, western expansion, and Neoliberalism are the Popular and Correct Opinions™. Continued offences will result in being labeled a Russian bot by smug white Liberals.]