Volodymyr Zelenskyy has suggested a ceasefire deal could be struck if Ukrainian territory he controls could be taken “under the NATO umbrella” - allowing him to negotiate the return of the rest later “in a diplomatic way”.
Fuck. I knew things were going badly for Ukraine, but not this badly.
The US is providing a lot of resources to Ukraine and the second Trump takes over the White House, Ukraine loses that support.
That would really suck for the people under Russian occupation. But be really good for all the other people…
Probably the best option left now that Trump will just throw him to the wolves
It would probably come with the safe passage to Ukraine…
It won’t. Russia ABSOLUTELY needs those people because they’ve thrown hundreds of thousands of able-bodied men (and, reportedly, a lot of less-than-able-bodied men as well) into the meatgrinder for this war. That’s part of why they’ve taken the old imperial strategy of deporting a LOT of the people in conquered areas to areas away from the fighting - it’s part to get them out of the way, but also part to divorce them from that area, and make it a HELL of a lot harder to get back there (if there’s even a “there” to go back to).
In other words, “we know we shoved you and your family into a bus at gunpoint and dumped you in Siberia, but if you wanna go home, you’ll need to find your own way. Also don’t forget rent is due the 1st.”
Yes, and Russia was already facing a demographic crisis before the war. Its part of why they’re kidnapping children.
Yep, they have an ongoing drug and AIDS crisis, and lost a lot of people to Covid since they only had their own vaccine, refusing other ones, which only worked in about half the cases though and which people were very sceptical of since the anti-vaccine propaganda on social media started by Russian bots to weaken the West backfired since Russians believed it as well.
I think he is being idealistic about Republicans’ support for NATO. When Russia attacks Ukraine again, Trump will not support NATO.
Europe will, though, in full force. European Union even more so when Ukraine is a member
So is the parts of Ukraine under foreign occupation not gonna be part of NATO?
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How’s this gonna work?
It would be part of the negotiations, so the most likely way it will work is that to cease hostilities, they agree on a line on the map and everything left of the line is NATO. Anything short of that would mean Putin crosses the line in a few years.
Then negotiate with Russia about returning occupied territories in exchange for… Lifting sanctions, returning cash, trade agreements, whatever.
Not unless Ukraine diplomatically gets it back from Russia, rather than through fighting, which is unlikely. It would effectively be Russian territory at that point.
That’s how I interpret it.
Anything where Ukraine doesn’t end as a full NATO member I suicide for Ukraine and zelenski personally. Putin has shown he doesn’t care, he won’t stop, and any agreement made will be broken the second people turn their heads around.
Ukraine becomes a full NATO and European Union or they’re dead, and I’m sure zelenski is VERY aware of this
What exactly makes him think putting any part of Ukraine in NATO is going to make Russia suddenly stop invading them, rather than spark an even greater conflict? Has Putin offered any kind of deal like that?
Non starter. Pretend ceasefire while nato troops get installed in Ukraine.
The peace deal that was scuttled by UK/US in March 2022 did include referendums to let regions join Russia or Ukraine. I don’t think the “democracy lovers” would support these any more, but it would be a genuine formula for peace, and one where Ukraine would reform its government, and could successfully hold territory if western economic help were given. The delusion with that plan is that Ukraine is only loved for its commitment to suicidal war instigation.
Yeah cause giving away land to stop a dictator from going further has always worked.
Gestures at the start of ww2
And we already have proof. Ukraine gave away Crimea and that only encouraged Putin to attack Ukraine again.
