Oh my fucking god I just wanted to say how otherworldly bad music is right now (pop has always been stupid to varying levels but oh my fucking god they have raised the stakes). I just listened to a bunch of pop tracks from various genres and I literally think I’m about to die. Rock, country, indie, folk, hipster white rap, whatever you call home, is aggressively bad. It’s like Walmart made a gun that can shoot cum and blood and piss and shit and puke into your soul. We are so fucking fucked. I want to saw my own head off.
Revisiting this after sleeping more and yeah, sorry for the temp lock. I see people in my inbox saying to keep it up, so keep it up we will.
I do think music has declined, but it has nothing to do with the songs themselves but our (well more specifically Western) relationship to music. If you travel back in time to the late 19th century, music was a communal activity. If there was any large family gathering like a holiday, there was the expectation that there was at least one person who could play the piano well, one person who could play the violin well, and so on, and they would put their musical skill within the family gathering to play music. And even for people who don’t know how to play music, there was always singing, meaning that it wasn’t just one pianist wowing their relatives, but everyone creating music together, whether it’s some hymn or some festive song or some popular music of that time.
The first treatification of music, if you want to conceptualize it like that, was the separation between performers and the audience. You now have one group of people who played music and one group of people who passively consumed music. One consequence of this was the decline in music literacy among the general population. I’m not saying that most people knew how to read music way back in the day, but most people would’ve at least intuitively understand what a chord progression was or what transposing a melody meant. A lot of songs just hit differently when you actually know how to play a musical instrument or actually tried to create music before.
The second treatification of music, was the creation of pop music that displaced folk music. Parenti made this point that pop music isn’t actually popular music in the etymological sense of music of the people. Actual popular music is something like folk music. Some folk song that is exclusively played in a rural village passed on from generations to generations within that rural community is popular music. Pop music is just music imposed on the masses from the top by capitalists. In that sense, pop music will always suck and is supposed to suck. It’s one means in which capitalist realism gets cultivated and spread.
The third treatification of music, was streaming services in my opinion. Most people understand on a basic intuitive level that pop music is worthless slop. Since the impulse to create music, like all other artistic impulse, is inherent in humanity, people will naturally try to get around pop music slop through the creation of indies. Streaming services are a monkey paw because a consequence of these services is that it can cater to a person’s idiosyncratic tastes so well that it leads to hyperspecificity. The end result is someone has a hyperspecific collection of indies that no one else has heard of, leading to further atomization. It also propagates more capitalist realism, or more specifically, faith in the infallibility of the market. “Music is now better than ever because you can find all these good indies.” That’s faith in the idea that if a commodity is being sold on the market, the inherent qualities of that commodity will eventually cause it to take its rightful share of the market (ie good commodities will float to the top while bad commodities will sink to the bottom).
Does pre-treatified music still exists in the West? Yes. There’s basically two musical traditions: one is religious music and by religious music I mean shit like Gregorian chants and hymns. They come packaged with their own bullshit that is pretty self-evident. The other is sport chants. I would say that sport chants represent the only authentic form of pre-treatified music that currently exists in the West. Sport chants are very much music even if they aren’t conceptualized this way (and the reason why they’re aren’t conceptualized this way is because precisely sport chants haven’t been treatified). The basic definition for what constitutes music is that it’s an audio experience where rhythm is important. And sport chants very much have rhythm to them.
Sport chants are a completely communal experience with chants being passed down from generation to generation, they belong to no single individual but the people themselves, they are an experience where the performers and audience are one, there’s a huge degree of physicality to it like everyone stomping on the stadium at the same time to create rhythm. It’s an authentically human experience and no amount of weird chord progression and time signature, quirky juxtaposition of musical instruments, or topical lyrics from some indie no one has ever heard of will change that.
This is real music, and music will be good again when the rest of music gets back to the level of sport chants.
Green Day put out a new album and it’s pretty good
reddit moment
I just listened to a bunch of pop tracks
The charts have literally never been reliably good, it is useful to remember this imo. I think “musics” generally is better now than it has been because there’s a very healthy amount of new music outside of the Billboard Hot 100 ass mainstream.
You: despairing that the top 5 tracks on Spotify are soulless garbage
Me: clicking random folders on random soulseek accounts and finding nothing but bangers
GNX, Chromakopia, ALLIGATOR BITES NEVER HEAL, fym “music sucks so bad rn”
RIGHT??? I’ve had the best year for music in a while. I’m eating so good. All my favorite artists have released amazing work this year. Megan is glowing (i saw her live this year, i love her with all my heart) , Doechii dropped a life-changing album, Glorilla is having her moment, and Kendrick has cemented his dominance, oh i am blessed!!
All my favorite projects been dropping. Doechii, Kendrick, Tyler continuing his run of growth and evolution, Zeal and Ardor even blessed us with a new tape this year and that’s where I’ve been at when I need a metal fix. I fundamentally can’t take anybody whining about the state of music serious this year; like either you livin under a rock or you whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
Oooo oooo zeal and ardor mentioned holy shit. My bf showed me them and I’m into them more now lol. Erghhhdjekdmwmxmwmdkwkdw Come on Down and all three parts of Sacriligium are bangersssss but my fav is Built on Ashes omg it’s so good.
Oh I fuckin LOVE THEM, shamefully it was a white homie of mine who put me onto them in the first place with the beckoning statement of “what do you think would’ve happened if escaped slaves turned to the antagonist of the slavemaster’s religion, instead of the slavemaster’s god?” and I been here ever since
For me, I think my faves are “Ship On Fire” and “Death to the Holy”, but Come On Down is such an infectious track. Like, it makes me want to intone with a crowd, and it’s rare metal gets me in that mood anymore
I think your homie and my bf read the same something because that’s almost word for word what I got told lol.
Ship on fire is fire fr fr!! The bit where its goes “we gotta seven different letters in seven rows” but it’s the second time and it does like a mini rise and drop/kicks back in (I dunno) at 1:23 kfdkwkdkwkdkw I wait all song for that bit.
I think I’ve grown to love it so much cos it comes on right after row row which has the sickest breakdown omfg.
Mmmm all the metal i like I’ve gotten mostly from him at the start of our friendship way before our relationship became a thing and like I know what I like so it really takes something special to make me listen to metal again and these guys kinda did it cos it was so new and fresh and not just angry cringe ass white dudes crying about the man and women while playing the saaaaame song again and again.
it really takes something special to make me listen to metal again
Real as fuck, ion’t fuck with metal or its listeners like I used to anymore for fear of running face-first into Varg-adjacency(ironically, this is how JPEGMAFIA fell out of my top five) out of them and losing all my respect for the people who put me on to smth; so Zeal and Ardor was a refreshing change of pace for when I was put onto em
Saaaaammmeee my bf insists it’s not all metal heads and I shouldn’t tarnish everyone with the same brush which is absolutely fair and true but in terms of metal heads you meet at gigs and out and about its like never a normal person.
It’s like there’s always one form of bigotry if not multiple. I’m sure a lot of them think they inclusive but it’s always “we don’t care who or what you are” milquetoast shit and when that’s coming from predominantly cis white straight men it’s always feels like a smokescreen to hide the fact they’ll have some vile ass take on one type of minority.
Thats how it always feels to me, even if your more qualified, more successful, more literate and more educated than a white male metal head, your always a little girl to them in a man’s world that thinks she gets how it all works and it boils my brain I swear.
Aaaaa I’m venting lmao. Does any of that track from your experience?
Loads are lovely so obviously I don’t wanna just slam metal fans since I’m technically one maybe I guess but like erghhhhh
Zeal and Ardor even blessed us with a new tape this year
I’ve been meaning to get into metal, I mostly listen to rap and like sad queer pop music. also since I’ve been less of a shut-in I’ve been invited to all sorts of local music scenes, like if you’re out in the community you’re gonna get invites to cool stuff all the time right away. (i have to limit how often i can go out due to over stimulation from autism though.) its very easy to find local music and theres always something im not even that social. i can’t even begin to relate to this take there so much good music both local and popular.
And that’s in the second half of the year like…
MUSTAAAAAARRRRRRRRRDDDDDD
Crazy. Scary. Spooky. Hilarious.
Who put the west back up on the map?
Lol you’re wrong
“I listened to many songs from a genre of music I don’t like, so clearly nobody is making good music. I’m so edgy!”
I’ll just leave this thread open and trawl through it later to get all the juicy reccs ty to everyone in advance
Boomer ass take and I’m nearly 40 lol
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Music has never been better. There’s so much out there. If you’re intentionally poisoning yourself with things you don’t like like, that’s sort of on you.
Rock, country, indie, folk, hipster white rap, whatever you call home, is aggressively bad
So, did you want to say rap here but realize it could come off wrong, so you said white rap instead? OR did you not realize you can listen to nonwhite rappers? Because it’s got to be one of those, right?
Dunno what’s up with op buuuut… When i was a teenager in buttfuck-redneck-midwest-nowhere listening to doggystyle and the chronic in my car i would actually turn down the music if i saw a black person nearby as i really, truly had a half-assed thought process picked up from my peers (both white and black) that i shouldn’t be. Like they’d judge me, almost like i believed there was some kinna unspoken rule that it was not mayomusic, or that i was a [slur] for listening to “their” music, that the artist didn’t make it for me at all. Like stolen valor or some shit i dunno
Anyway maybe it’s the same for this cat or maybe it ain’t but that’s my origin story and i can’t figure how to end this comment well… Fuuuuu-
Get 'em
Dunno what’s up with op buuuut… When i was a teenager in buttfuck-redneck-midwest-nowhere listening to doggystyle and the chronic in my car i would actually turn down the music if i saw a black person nearby as i really, truly had a half-assed thought process picked up from my peers (both white and black) that i shouldn’t be. Like they’d judge me, almost like i believed there was some kinna unspoken rule that it was not mayomusic, or that i was a [slur] for listening to “their” music, that they didn’t make it for me at all.
Anyway maybe it’s the same for this cat or maybe it ain’t but that’s my origin story and i can’t figure how to end this comment well fu-
I’ll go one further, mainstream pop and the top streamed music right now - literally the most mainstream of the mainstream - goes hard. looking at Spotify top charts for the week, I’m seeing BIRDS OF A FEATHER by Billie Eilish and Taste by Sabrina Carpenter, which are two very good high-production mainstream pop songs. better than j ever remember pop being in the rest of my life. brat came out this summer. Tyler the Creator just dropped CHROMAKOPIA. and slightly off mainstream but still very popular were Camila Cabello, Remi Wolf, Magdalena Bay, honestly this is like the best I imagine pop music has been in decades. what’s the issue?