The UK is currently experiencing some prolonged windy weather and my all-renewable energy provider offers dynamic pricing. That means cheap energy and even negative-cost energy. This is where my HA instance shines and saves me a fortune on my power bill. Thanks again to the HA devs for this incredible project.
For the curious, I’m using bottlecapdave’s excellent Home Assistant Octopus Energy integration via HACS.
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I’m looking forward to going over to Agile in the near future.
I was under the impression that you had to be electric only, but apparently you can have a standard gas tariff alongside. We just need to work out a few things like “how much could it cost us to make dinner during the peak?”I’ll be taking advantage of the negative cost energy to charge my car. How have you got HA set up to take advantage? Is it automating certain appliances running when the rate is lowest?
Yup! No EV here, sadly, and I live in a flat but I’ve got storage heaters and a big hot water tank. I’ve got an incredibly janky template sensor that works out how many hours of heating I need for each room based on the weather forecast and an automation that activates the heaters for that many hours a day at the cheapest times. It can also turn the heating on when the price drops below a certain threshold, currently 0p.
Are there any creative energy sinks you could run when the price goes negative? I can only think of mining crypto or transcoding video or stuff like that.
Dingdingding! Correct. For the chepest two hours a day (or any time cost is negative) Home Assistant gives Portainer a kick and I sail the high seas. Whenever costs are negative I saturate my servers with BOINC CPU-heavy workloads like ClimatePrediction, Rosetta@Home, LHC@Home and World Community Grid.
Flip side of heating could be to lower the temperature of freezers. If the energy is free anyways.
In my old place I actually did this: replacing my fridge and freezer’s thermostats with an ESP Home controlled relay and thermometer. This place has a fancy integrated unit that I don’t want to play with too much.
One of those giaaant resistors and a significantly higher current service from the utility!!
Flip side of heating could be to lower the temperature of freezers. If the energy is free anyways.
That sounds good! I can see how that would save a lot of money on the bills. I especially like that you’ve got a “janky” template sensor haha. HA is so good for it’s openness and letting you bodge things together which have no right to work but do so all the same!
My tariff comes with smart charge but I’ve ended up turning it off and just triggering directly with home assistant. I have two buttons: one for smart night time charge and one to enable daytime charge once the solar has heated up the hot water. However my current export rate (15p/kWh) is twice as good as the night rate (7p/kWh) so it’s better to bank the export and then have a steady charge over night.
Looking at the rates the OP posted I wonder if the variable tariff would make more sense. I suspect the automation rules would be a bit more complex.
For me the car is the main thing that I can move to cheaper times. I’m also lucky in that I don’t need to do that many miles so I can often wait for cheaper times to charge. If I did more miles and needed to charge more frequently/consistently then it would probably be better to have a tariff with a set night rate, sometimes there are decently long stretches where the variable tariff doesn’t get as cheap as a night rate would be. On the other side there are days like this where I can get as much into the car as possible and get money back for it.
It definitely depends on your individual usage which would be better. If you’re with Octopus, I believe they have a tool which will show you what you would have paid on the variable tariff over the past months, obviously that wouldn’t take into account any behavioral changes you would make (or automate) if you had a variable tariff but could still be helpful.
If I had an EV it would make a huge difference. One of the really, really cool features of the Octopus integration is that you can create a binary sensor that triggers for the cheapest hours (consecutive or non-consecutive) between a set time period, so you could create an automation that works out how many hours your car needs to charge at, say, midnight, and have it only charge for the cheapest hours between then and 8am.
I keep thinking about doing something similar as I have an EV, solar, and batteries and Home Assistant to pull it all together but I just can’t seem to make the maths work on sites like Octoprice. No matter how much I tweak things it always comes out more expensive than Intelligent Go.
I do at least have an automation setup to make the most of the 2 hours of free energy tomorrow. Better than nothing!
I’m surprised, to be honest, since I worked out a while ago that if I had an EV - even something like a Zoë doing 20 miles a day - I’d be saving a lot of money, but if you’ve done the maths then fair enough. Keep in mind, though, that since you’re alreay with Octupus you could just switch to Agile for a month and switch back if it doesn’t work out.
I take it being in a flat means you’re renting? How did you go about monitoring all of your power?
You can check here if a solution suits your need https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/energy/electricity-grid/
Whole-home metering is done with a Home Mini, a device that Octupus gives away to any customer that asks nicely and provides real-time data. For devices with plugs is mostly LocalBytes smartplugs or similar. For the heaters, well, hypothetically, that would require installing something like a Shelly PM Mini Gen 3 inside the wall box behind the heater without asking the landlord’s permission.
Good one! Dark Green should be cheaper than light green though.
