Was banned from !egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone for calling out a Mod’s misuse of the Egg prime directive to criticize trans people for helping out trans women in denial of their trans-ness. They’re denying the validity of signs of being transgender, what the actual fuck, this shit is not okay. Then after banning me that dipshit locks the post so no one else can reply on it. How is this not power-tripping?
Modlog history for my account: https://discuss.online/modlog?userId=11993717
Best to come with receipts when you say stuff like that about someone.
Here’s a public comment of this asshole denying the validity of nounself pronouns:
https://discuss.online/post/13103441/11998755
Throughout that thread they refused to use the correct neopronouns of that person (drag/dragself) and constantly criticized drag for it.
Oh, the dragon thing made quite a stir.
What @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com said is unacceptable and invalidating to many trans people, he should feel ashamed of himself and be banned from trans spaces for it.
I see nothing in their comment disregarding neopronouns or even nounself usage inherently, but instead discussing the inconsistent way the dragon person leveraged them.
Nounself pronouns are hard to write legibly with and drag failed to do so successfully. Why? Because drag is their handle as well. Nounself pronouns are not generally the first name of the speaker, as generally seen in the below links table of examples. (but of course not exhaustive examples)
The challenges many ( not just your target) commented on regarding the nounself pronouns are discussed here, and I think their conclusion is a good one. (Provide alternatives for expediency, and accessibility, as readability is inherently challenging)
https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/Nounself_pronouns
That wiki certainly isn’t the bible but it’s reasonably discussing the topic, imo.
I am trying to be respectful to you now:
You seem very angry, across all your interactions here in this thread and around your experiences here. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot to be frustrated about in life. I’m not telling you to leave. That’s not my place. But I think you might find a happier experience with a bit of a break, and perhaps heavier curation of who you speak with, and where you hang out. Good luck.
No, people do not owe other people easy alternatives to just respecting the person’s pronouns. I don’t want people using they/them on me because it’s “too hard” to remember she/her, or keep forgetting I’m a girl because of my voice. No compromise, just respect people’s fucking pronouns.
You bet I’m fucking angry, if you knew what it was like to be trans you wouldn’t be saying it so casually. I can’t just stop being angry or stop being scared. I’m literally living in a world that hates and rejects me for who I am, and I’m forced to listen to apologia from assholes who just can’t accept the fact that I’m a fucking girl.
The recommendations on nounself language are not my own. Take that issue up with them. No one has a problem with dragons pronouns. They have a problem with their inability to write consistently and use them in a way that is understandable.
You are seeking and choosing these disagreements and friction, and there’s no profit to you. Look at this post, you spent all this time arguing with people and they are consistently disagreeing with you. It’s possible the whole group is disrespecting your concerns, sure, but it’s also possible you are approaching the issue with particular energy that doesn’t translate well in text, and is not winning any battles for you. That’s fine, you don’t need to win votes, they don’t matter. Either way, it’s you experiencing negativity in non essential interactions. You are seeking it out, and then cohabitating with it, rather than discarding it. Even a community you have interest in has put you on the bench for a break.
Edit everyone is guilty of getting sucked in sometimes. I am too. I’m laid up from a car wreck and can’t sleep so I’m spending too much time on here, imo.
For a person with very real and very valid stresses and concerns, you are digging up unnecessary fresh ones to add to the collection with these interactions.
Again I am not telling you to leave, or that you are unwelcome anywhere. That is not my place. I’m only responding to the content you have provided to respond to, most relevantly, the way you have commented in this thread.
You are right, this discussion is going in circles, most people here don’t see or understand why this is wrong and it’s likely blahaj.zone doesn’t either. Otherwise they wouldn’t have allowed him to become a mod now would they?
Well let’s not conflate what I’m right about, and the rest of your comment 😉
I think people have been weirdly authoritarian when it comes to drag’s pronoun - personally don’t get why they can respect others pronouns but not drag’s 🤷♀️ (still doesn’t mean because they’re disrespectful about that they’re wrong about everything)
Please do not mention me for this. Actually please don’t mention or reply to me at all. I don’t want to talk to you anymore. If you mention me again I’m reporting it as harassment.
Wish granted, blocked :)
you literally linked to a comment in which Draconic_NEO said explicitly that neopronouns like xe/xer are valid. and last i checked, calling nounself pronouns “confusing and unintuitive” is not the same as calling them invalid. if you cannot find a concrete example of someone saying they believe something apart from one where they literally say the opposite of that thing, consider rethinking your stance.
He’s arguing that they shouldn’t be used because they’re “confusing and unintuitive” he’s denying the validity of them and refusing to use them, instead calling people who use them trolls. Dumbass is justifying his transphobia by referencing DroneRights and claiming people use those pronouns only to troll. What a repulsive thing to say about a trans person.
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com you should be ashamed of yourself, and be banned from every instance on the Fediverse like the hateful transphobic troll you are.
for fuck’s sake, chill. they were calling out one specific trans person who was harassing people who weren’t using their preferred pronouns.
Draconic_NEO thinks that while trans people are valid, and neopronouns like xe/xer are valid, neoprounouns like “drag” that refer only to a single person cease to function as pronouns. when a word refers exclusively to a single person, that word is a proper noun. Draconic_NEO also thinks that hounding people over failure to use neopronouns is not especially poggers. these are both very reasonable stances.
by your comment history i’m guessing you’ve just started hormones. you’re definitely not the first trans girl who’s gone through a major emotional phase. hormones are running high – it’s no surprise you’re prone to lashing out. but i’d like to remind you that you’re saying that someone hates all trans people based on an opinion in reference to neopronouns, which are an entirely separate issue from the concept of transness and a contentious topic even among nonbinary people – an opinion, i might add, that that person has demonstrated they do not hold.
personally, I’d advocate against someone being banned from the entire Fediverse if they said being gay should be illegal – and i am gay. people’s opinions can change, and permanent bans from entire platforms do nothing except make them more bitter and more hateful. you can ban assholes from communities, and if you disagree with the mods on whether someone should be banned, lemmy has a block button for a reason.
more to the point, though, the point of the fediverse is, and has been from its inception, uncensorable freedom of speech. the fact that no corporation – and by extension no individual – can tell you what you can and can’t say, regardless of what that is, is literally the entire point. the fediverse is an unfathomably large place, not limited to the five or six instances you keep hearing about, and it is designed specifically so that it is impossible to completely ban someone. in fact, TruthSocial (Donald Tr*mp’s personal Tw*tter clone) is a Mastodon instance. the price we pay for nobody being able to tell us what we can and can’t post about here on fedi with regard to queerness is that we have no means to fight back against anti-gay/anti-trans dipshits besides defederation and the block button.
also, pro tip: pinging someone over and over and calling them a hateful bigot, especially when they aren’t, doesn’t make them change their mind, it just makes them annoyed at you.
You don’t get to pick and choose which trans people are valid or who should have their pronouns respected. Anyone who does that is a transphobic dipshit.
He repeatedly refused to use drag’s preferred pronouns, and continued to use they/them even though they aren’t drag’s pronouns. He is devaluing nounself pronouns and using that as an excuse not to use the person’s preferred pronouns. Which the dumb fuck hasn’t done even once.
Real good faith argument there, trying to blame my anger about his transphobia on my hormones, just a whiny emotional removed who’s upset because of her hormones. Typical response from a transphobe or someone sticking up for them. Draconic isn’t a transphobe because he has an opinion, he’s a transphobe because he refuses to use the person’s preferred pronouns and uses that statement about nounself pronouns as an excuse for his awful behavior.
You’re against kicking bigots out of our safe spaces? You sound like someone from AskGayBros, especially after saying that shit about my hormones. I did block that dipshit, he asked me not to respond to him anymore so I obliged. He’s hurting trans people though by misgendering and being a bigot. That’s why he needs to be banned, not just because I’m a soft little removed snowflake who’s upset by him, but because he’s an evil piece of shit.
aaaand that’s where I stop responding to your comment, proving all my suspicions about you earlier about you being one of those alt-right GayBros.
Good, let the asshole be annoyed by the overly emotional and sensitive removed snowflake, maybe it’ll make him say some shit that gets his ass banned
Hey @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com, is the emotional little removed snowflake annoying you? Too bad, I’m not going anywhere until your ass is banned. I’m not going to cry and kill myself like you think I am no matter what you say to me you stupid fuck!
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com Hey just want to let you guys know about this situation even though Jgrim did end up temporarily banning them for the harassment.
Just for the record I do not think I have engaged in transphobia towards other users, nor did I even provoke this user. I simply pointed out that she deserved the ban she got for the behavior she engaged in, and she decided to start making unmerited accusations towards me and harassing me like this with mentions and making threats to get me banned. I asked her not to mention meearlier and that I no longer wished to talk with her and she told me:
But still continued to mention me, leading up to now with her getting a 3 day ban from her instance admin but nothing really seeming to happen here from any of the reports I made since it does also violate this instance and community’s rules. I think at the very least the post should be locked since it’s outlived its usefulness, but that’s just my opinion on this.
I’ve locked it now