• LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    At least 2 investigative journalists think that the election was stolen. America didn’t choose him.

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    Everything that’s coming: If you didn’t vote, you voted for it. If you voted Shill Stein, you voted for it. If you voted Trump and you “didn’t know it would be this way”, you’re as complicit as the non-voters and the boutique voters.

    Deliberate ignorance, a lack of critical thinking, and the propaganda that you allowed to game your emotions were all at play here.

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        I can at least understand that line of thinking. He spent a lot of his first term golfing. He didn’t build the border wall or repeal the ACA or do a lot of what he promised his supporters he would.

        Still not an excuse. He did incredible damage in his first term and I expect this one to be worse.

        And he’s not even saying he’s going to do Project 2025 but I expect him to.

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          He didn’t have presidential immunity, both branches of Congress, and the Supreme Court. And now he has all the Project 2025 people who are far more hungry for human misery than he is. And they’re happy to do his job for him.

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            Yeah, Trump only wanted to win to stay out of prison. I bet he spends his time until his massive coronary playing golf while he lets his people destroy the country.

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        Man, a local (Canadian) news chain had a pro Trump panelist on a show and that was always her argument. I hope they fucking apologize for giving her a platform when shit hits the fan.

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          Never forget the “Canadians” like Theo Fleury who parroted Russian asset, Tucker Carlson, and called for the US to “liberate” Canada during covid/convoy.

          If you thought the last convoy was hell, wait until the plan goes how it was supposed to then.

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          They won’t.

          Canadians are shifting conservative as well, and it’s just a matter of time until the entirety of the continent is a zero-sum shithole.

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      I’d respect a massive third party turnout vote, though. At least it shows there is an untapped and active voter base who will show up.

      Not voting is just saying that you don’t care. And there were several down ballot elections that were things that leftists say they care about, including ranked choice voting in several states.

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        I would have more respect for high voter turnout during state and local elections. Those are more important than the presidential election.

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      Just make a blame tier list at this point. I want to see where you put Harris and Biden on it

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      I voted for Harris.

      That said, a non-participant is objectively less culpable for electing Trump than someone that voted for Trump.

      It’s ridiculous how many are clearly more angry at non-participants than Trump’s actual voters.

      This system is captured by oligarchs, I vote for least worst out of harm reduction, not hope, and I’m not mad at the people that understand that this ship IS going to sink out of greed/capital market worship regardless of ® or( D), both of which are still selling the lifeboats to the highest bidder beholden to the free market that crashed us into the iceberg, and said fuck it, they’re going to get drunk raiding the bar instead of getting in line to vote on whether to start shooting stowage passengers for kicks® as we all sink.

      If you want people to vote for the “leftwing” party in droves, turn it an actual leftwing party with a platform of remaking our economy to reward labor over speculative investment, and making wealth hoarding to the point of being able to buy your own government and Regulators a thing of the past through taxation and even confiscation over certain levels to be put into the commons like education, clean public transport, Healthcare, etc.

      Hell, I’ll knock on every door in my state if the Democrats abandoned their neoliberalism and became the party of FDR again with a New New deal. But they won’t do that, because they’d rather have fascism than stop taking the corporate bribe money that Reagan made them junkies for.

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        Bro, the boat is sinking, some people are bailing it out, some people are drilling holes into the bottom and some people are standing around talking about how they just can’t bring themselves to bail the boat out. They don’t get credit for not drilling holes. That’s not a thing.

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        You know the Nazi in a bar story where the barman kicks the Nazi out because having a single Nazi in the bar means it’s a Nazi bar? Well it’s the same fucking shit in politics. You don’t vote or you vote third party, knowing full well that you’re opening the door to a Nazi to take power? It means you don’t mind a Nazi taking power therefore you’re a Nazi.

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          They shouldn’t get credit or blame.

          Again, neoliberals are trying to conflate the people drilling the holes(Trump voters) in the ship with people standing around.

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            Blame is multi-faceted: the ones who voted for him have a type of complicity and the ones who could have helped but didn’t have a different complicity.

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              I’m seeing a lot more vitriol aimed at those with less complicity, non-voters, than those with maximum complicity, Trump voters, in media and social media.

              Weird to be angrier at the indolent than the aggressors. It’s like being angrier at the quiet Germans keeping their heads down in the late 1930s than the motherfuckers goosestepping down the street with a rifle in one arm and a swastika on the other. One is simply a coward, the other is the problem.

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                I can’t vouch for what you see, but what you mention reminds me of the vitriol directed at Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema when there were literally 50 hard no votes (hole-drillers) on every vote they ever made.

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            If you’re just standing around you’re complicit, you don’t get to escape the blame and you should face consequences.

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    Mad at her for what? Having little power as VP? Being out on the ballot? Even if she said no, the Dem party leadership would just have to quickly push someone in the same manner. All of the excuses are either complete bullshit or Trump would be worse. So stupid…

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      Her stated policy positions and record on various issues would be my best guess. But, yes, ‘Trump would be worse’ seems true in all cases that I care about at least.

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    Anger is a form of attention and apathy is the lack of attention. If you imagine the voters who didnt turn out to be more mad than apathetic, you’re not gonna reach them next time either.

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    This is so Stupid. Nobody’s mad at Harris. She’s like Dry Toast. I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it either.

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      I have many many leftist friends that are actually mad at Harris for supporting Israel. Saw a ton of it on social media prior to the election. Wouldn’t be surprised is most of them abstained from voting.

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        I will say, it would have been a great distinguishing stance, demonstrating backbone, morals, and character.

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      She is a woman running for a country that demands a Chad, even if Chad is demonstrably stupid, incompetent, malicious, and dangerous.

      uNLikAbLE

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    I like the straw man attempt, but it’s kinda weak because not so many people hate her. She wasn’t around long enough, she hasn’t done enough.

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    Imagine being so thirsty for Palestinian blood that you gave the government to this guy

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    Imagine being so bad at politics, that you lose to Trump 3 times in a row.

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    Plenty of reasons to hate her stop pretending there isn’t, Being complicit n genocide maybe. Supporting mass human rights abuses against refugees? Saying she would use all power you give her to continue to do so.