• AliSaket@mander.xyz
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    7 days ago

    Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what’s going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don’t act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

    • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
    • continuing payments
    • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they’re debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
    • actively bomb the Huthi’s who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
    • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
    • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
    • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
    • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don’t adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
    • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
    • … (list is not extensive)

    This behavior isn’t new. International law didn’t matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn’t even an extensive list of just this century.

    They aren’t trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table…

  • ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Sure is going to be difficult to enact change when met with a regime that wants to regress. Hope that y’all who didn’t vote are happy with the outcome cause I sure ain’t.

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    Wasn’t that the point? They knew both sides would be pro Israel and sent a message that without more Palestinian support, the Dems wouldn’t just get their vote.

    It worked, the Dems have been nothing but shocked and aghast at the outcome. Now the pro- Palestine base are hoping the Dems turn against Israel for the 2026 election to win back their vote.

    …the Dems won’t, by the way. They might pay more lip service to it, but they’ll never be anti-Israel.

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    7 days ago

    Fuck around: do genocide, ignore your base who are apalled by genocide

    Find out: lose election

    If you want to keep losing, keep doing this same shit. Most liberals seem like they would rather lose than agree with online leftists.

  • voldage@lemmy.world
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    I find it hard to believe people making those memes are dumb enough to believe the underlying message. The pro-palestinian activist crowd was way too small to change anything in this massive loss, and I’d wager more of them percentage wise went and voted for Harris after all, than registered Dems did. Those people are politicaly concious enough to care about foreign politics, something vast majority of the voter base doesn’t care in the slightest. I’ve seen you fuckers shadow boxing with some theoretical far left cabal, both apparently major in terms of being blamed for diverting voters and insignificant in terms of being worth listening to according to your propaganda, and I’ve barely ever seen anyone from the left saying that they wont vote for Harris. You’ve spammed those memes about not voting for Harris being a vote for Trump and pointed fingers at abstract pro-palestinian crowd, despite knowing fully well those people were going - and did, by the way - to vote for Harris. Dems lost not because of the politicaly engaged people on the left, you morons. Dems lost because they completely failed to engage people that weren’t interested in politics. They completely capitulated the border issue to the GOP, allowing to full blown fascist narrative to emerge - something that wouldn’t have happend it they pushed back instead. They paraded the animated corpse of Biden for far too long, going they could get away with it somehow. Completely sanitized Harris and muzzled Walz after their initial pro-workers and anti-corporate messages. They tried to shame people into voting instead of engaging them, shitted on the open primary, silenced arab communities, and then got confused when people not caring about politics too much failed to show up.

    You’re trying to show how much smarter you are than the anti-genociders with those memes, but you’re completely missing the mark. This outcome is exactly what those people warned you about. People are mostly disengaged from the politics, and when they vote, they vote based on vibes. The year long support for genocide, broadcasted on every station and in many speeches, is a fucking vibe killer for many voters. The Dems had atrocious vibes all the way back from the october 7. They should have never give a green light for killing the civilians, on either side. They fumbled and refused to acknowledge it.

    But yeah, Gaza is a relatively minor issue to the voters, seeing as people aren’t interested in foreign politics at all. The reason why Dems lost was a sum of many other fuck ups as well. They barely even talked about Biden being pro union and walking the picket line. They barely pushed against the inflation lies. They laser focused being anti-immigration and calling Trump (deserved, sure) names. They’re 100% guilty of letting Trump rule now, seeing how bad Trump campaign was. And seeing how your current propaganda looks like, it seems like you’re not going to learn any lessons from this loss, assuming you guys ever get to vote again.

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    7 days ago

    ITT: libs finally realize a genocide is going on and actually care about it now

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Well yes. Everyone knew trump was going to be worse for the Palestinians. Except for the people who wanted you to hate the democrats more and not vote and wanted you to ignore that.

  • Iceman@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Why are Liberals are taking expedited genocide of Palestinas as consultation price?

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    There weren’t enough third party votes to swing the election. Trump won the popular vote. Stop blaming leftist for the country moving right. It’s stupid.

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    People posting the meme wish to say genocide is only alright if it is exported.

    The real question is if both party wishes to have death at destruction at Palestine homes why would they not wish the same to its exporter?

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    Democrats lost some voters because they couldn’t stop sucking off fascists in israel and now they’re smug because the other party who kicked their incompetent asses also suck off fascists in israel. Apparently we’re supposed to laugh at anti-genocide protestors in this situation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB5Lttr53Vk