Rust lobbyists winning

  • kleeon [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    6 hours ago

    I am mostly joking but rust is quite annoying and is only useful in very specific circumstances. I’m not against encouraging people to use better designed languages than C though

    • someone [comrade/them, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      5 hours ago

      If you’re looking to write the types of server daemons often written in C, Go is another good choice. It’s very C-like in its syntax. It has a lot of the same safety features Rust has but isn’t nearly as complex to learn. It also has a huge standard library, so you rarely need to rely on third-party code.

      Go isn’t too suitable for drivers or kernels or other kinds of system software though. Rust is definitely a better choice for those.

        • I’m not sure if you’re making a real point or if it’s something you heard is complicated but never looked into why. You almost never actually write a linked list. There are usually way easier ways to have a potentially infinite list, but more often you will write your code to operate on blocks of arrays of known size for performance reasons (cache locality, etc) or safety reasons (memory exhaustion, etc), or the linked list is hidden away in a queue implementation (which again you usually want to make bounded).

          Most C++ programmers don’t actually understand lifetimes or even basic memory safety.

          Most programmers don’t know when they should be using a linked list or something more cache-friendly.

          Most software is really bad.

          If I can get away with it, I’ll bang something out in Python or whatever I’m required to do something in for the task at hand, and I’ll absolutely know 10 ways my program can break, but if I need speed AND reliability, it necessarily takes effort from me, the programmer, to tell the computer exactly how it has to go down. And then Rust usually lets me say what I want to say.

      • TrashGoblin [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        6 hours ago

        Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. For application code, it’s almost always better to use a language with garbage collection, in order to get memory safety without undue ceremony. Yes, some gc-ed languages are slow (Python, Ruby), but others are quite fast (JVM, .NET, Common Lisp, Haskell).