‘Straight-up BS’: Democratic chair attacks Bernie Sanders’ election critique
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Sanders’ analysis that Democrats lost because they failed working-class voters scorned by party chair Jaime Harrison
    • davelAEnglish
      38·
      1 month ago

      Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.

      Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story

      Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.

      If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].

        • davelAEnglish
          281·
          1 month ago

          This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.

          This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing

            • davelAEnglish
              141·
              1 month ago

              Yeah… I don’t think you understand how politics works or how power works or who is really in power[1][2] or how the media & propaganda work. Your arguments are in the world of pure idealism. Real politics scarcely happens in the marketplace of ideas.

              But like, keep thinking that you can use nerd shit to convince a bunch of bros to not vote for the exciting one.

              I don’t know why you think I’m suggesting anything of the sort.

                • davelAEnglish
                  12·
                  1 month ago

                  That’s the nerd shit I’m talking about.

                  I’m not talking to Trump supporters, I’m talking to you. But you’re so dense and smugly sure of your brilliance that you’re not going to listen, so I’ll stop now.

                • Fidel_Cashflow
                  81·
                  1 month ago

                  why are dems trying to appeal to trump supporters?? they will never ever vote for you! that’s the entire point! this campaign failed because they tried to appeal to trump voters and ate shit!! holy fuck, maybe they should focus on appealing to their voter base, the people who might actually vote for them. jesus christ lmao democrats are fucking doomed.

            • krashmo@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 month ago

              It really sucks that you’re right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don’t seem to get about what you’re saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it’s intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he’s a strongman. It doesn’t matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can’t swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic “undecideds” the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.

              Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.

            • z3rOR0ne
              13·
              1 month ago

              get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him.

              That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it’s not just about charisma, it’s about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charm, but also providing an entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you’ll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.

              Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn’t the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don’t like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.

    • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
      251·
      1 month ago

      Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.