Hit the streets and fight? Did this author not see how Trump handled the protests in Portland and DC?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_deployment_of_federal_forces_in_the_United_States
Protesting is dead, peaceful or otherwise. Violent protest will be met with the National Guard and Secret Service.
If Americans wanted to protect their right to protest, they should’ve voted for Harris.
You mean Portland where they rioted for 100+ night in the row in 2020?
I think they mean the unmarked vans disappearing people off the streets.
But who knows.
But that did not kill the protesting, did it?
No, it invigorated it.
Bloody Sunday in Selma was one of the most successful protests in history, where police disproportionately responded to nonviolent disobedience by beating marchers with batons. It was successful not in spite of police violence, but because of it. The hundreds of demonstrators grew to thousands as people came from all across the country in solidarity.
A new Trump era means a renaissance of civil disruption. The methods competent police have developed to blunt the effect of protest don’t project the strong-man image fascists crave. Protest will become much more dangerous again, but will also become much more effective.
That said, in hindsight: you burn the police precinct. Minneapolis got it right, this shit can’t be salvaged, it can’t be turned to good use. Burn it.
I’m not responding to shit. You guys voted for this so I’m coasting by on my middle class white privilege from now on. I tried to reinforce the dam and everyone around me decided to blow it up instead. Now it’s time to sink or swim on your own. I’m not wasting any more time trying to help people who won’t help themselves.
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Are you aware that black people were the largest demographic that voted for Harris by over a 30% margin?
We seem to be on an irreversible path now. That means what it means for all of us, including black people. What certain groups wanted to happen doesn’t make any difference. If you’re suggesting it does then you’re not basing that on reality but rather what you wish reality was.
I tried to reinforce the dam
Oh? What did you do? Organize? Mutual aid? Outreach?
Or was it like, you voted for Kamala, maybe had a bumper sticker.
Don’t worry, you were never past of the movement so it’s no loss. Sorry that doing fuck all was too hard for you.
There you go. Scream into the void. Let it all out.
Done? Cool, now as I was saying, this is what America is about now. You can be mad at me for it if you want to but it isn’t going to change anything. You’re on this ship just like the rest of us. The least you can do is be honest with yourself about where it’s headed.
Is what I’m saying selfish? Yeah, probably, at least as far as past ways of thinking would say, but again that’s not what we’ve collectively decided we’re doing anymore. We’re in a new era of stupidity and social sadism. It’s clear we’re not going to change until things get way worse so I’m going to focus on getting me and mine through this. That’s self preservation in action. I’m sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but that’s the reality of the situation.
See, if you had actually done something, you would have just answered that. You did nothing, did you?
I know people who were out door knocking in blue wall states in deeply red counties, as marginalized people, who have more empathy and understanding, and a grounded realistic view of why the Harris campaign failed you and us, than you seem to be expressing here.
If all you did was show up to vote, eat your pride. Now is the time for you to ACTUALLY go out and do something instead of pissing and shitting in the comment section of fucking lemmy.world of all places.
Grow the fuck up.
Preach it, brother!
Good for those people. Did it change anything? Do you think more people doing it would have? How many more people would it take? Can you find them and convince them to show up? I have no interest in naive lectures on idealism. We tried that already and it failed spectacularly.
Look man, I get that you’re having a hard time letting go of the idea that you’re a peacemaker out there making a difference but if this whole situation hasn’t caused you to revaluate things then I don’t know what to tell you. Good luck with the delusions I guess. I’d rather live in an uncomfortable reality than hide away in fantasy land. You say grow up but I say that’s exactly what I’m doing by taking an honest look at the world around me. What you’re talking about sounds like storybook bullshit to me.
Lol you still won’t admit that you did nothing. Do you know who organizes the door knockers? THE DEMOCRATS. They were door knocking FOR THE DEMS. You go talk to Kamala fucking Harris and ask her why more people were not doing it, you go ask HER why it didn’t change anything, you talk to the Democrats and ask them why they failed you. You couldn’t identify Idealism if it was stapled to your own forehead.
What do you even think I’m talking about here, hmm? Door Knockers are the antithesis of idealism. They are agents in the material world, engaging with people directly, hearing their positions and making real attempts to offer them answers. They’re engaging with the non-voter class and republicans in an attempt to create material change within the electorate. Republicans also door knock, for the same reason. What’s idealism is YOU thinking that somehow people should have just “Done the right thing” and showed up and voted for someone who offered nothing to them. Republicans voted for Trump because he had clear and understandable messaging, Harris had absolutely awful messaging. If you’re a Door Knocker and all you have to work with is garbage, then the only ones to blame are the ones who gave them the garbage. The Democrats.
If you want to “fight fascism” every two years by showing up to vote, you’ll be living under fascism faster than you think. Get out, touch some grass, talk to your neighbors, stop leaving your political life in the hands of people who have no interest in offering you anything, that’s called “Growing the fuck up”.
The difference between us is that you’re assuming this outcome is because people weren’t educated enough. I think they knew exactly what they were getting and asked for it anyway. All your shit talking is just your way of rationalizing the fact that the American public doesn’t care about the same things you do. You think if we try hard enough that will change. It won’t.
That’s the last time I’m responding to you because you clearly don’t know how to get out of your bubble. Stay in there until it pops for all I care.
