Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.
WHY
Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN’T WORKING.
We don’t. But maybe not here.
The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we’re bound and determined to add more to the pile.
Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.
And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?
Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.
Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.
He’ll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don’t cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.
So be it. Maybe idiot America will actual learn when shot goes south with no one saving their dumb asses.
I voted Haris. I am not one of those animals
I voted Harris too but honestly F Americans as a whole here. We all deserve what the Republicans are going to serve.
No. No we don’t you dunce.
Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.
Only 70 million voted for him?
Pretty low compared to last election…
340ish million Americans, ~74 million of them changed the world forever.
72 so far, Harris with 67. Pretty low turnout given the stakes
Yeah exactly, this is also why they should’ve just left the confederacy alone /s
We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.
2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.
You’re putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.
Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he’s going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.
Think outside the box.
Excuse me?! They’re called “internment camps”!
This. She will live in comfort at home while we suffer
Oh my gawd, what are you talking about?
You don’t win against someone who is cheating by playing fair.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.
I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.
Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.
Alright fair point then my bad. I think the rest of it stands well enough though
Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.
Not if they die 🤷♂️
Of course, which is the risk for at least Sotomayor this term. If Trump gets 3 more nominations, it could be possible that he’d be able to have 6 justices with an average age in their 50s, with plenty of time to continue the chaos.
Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn’t think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.
Think Carter. Nixon had a populist wave born out of the DNCs 1968 disaster destroying the Kennedy lead operation dating back years, it was big. Then a huge scandal knocked the wind out of him, populist wave was down, Democrats won with a safe white guy, mission accomplished? Except the economy imploded and a ton of foreign wars happened and everyone blamed ‘histories greatest monster’ and the Republican populist wave that would have died with Nixon got a round to breathe and the Democrats took the fall for the disaster in Carters term. 8 years of Reagan followed and then 4 years of Reagan 2, Texas Boogaloo. Except Reagan was old and JD Vance isn’t.
Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It’s gone man, solid gone
I don’t understand how the rhetoric this time didn’t hurt him there tbh, he didn’t change it really
He stopped saying Mexicans or Hispanics and started saying Illegals for the most part. Boom.
Also I’ve seen a lot of ‘first they came for the socialists’ type posting about that. In a fucked up way that’s actually the outcome the Democrats want. The other option is the Hispanics became ‘honorary whites’, the next Italian or Irish. Hispanic isn’t even really a race in the sense that black or white or asian(or native american, technically those two are one race sorta long story), it’s Mixed, European White - Slave Black - Native Mesoamerican, just mixed and mixing with other mixed so long you can’t really pick it out. We usually call the whiter ones Hispanics and the ones with a lot more Native or Black mestizo or creole or…Native and Black. Hispanic Culture is heavily christian and European influenced, it can be integrated into that coalition without too much trouble.
If the established second generation Hispanics settle into reliable Republican or even just the men, that’s a Southern Strategy tier realignment. The Democrats are fucked for a generation. Outgroups don’t stay Outgroups forever, and we know how European Cultured Religious ‘in-groups’ do in the USA.
I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.
But now, we’re 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we’ll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we’re in the worst possible timeline the universe says “bet” and throws us another curveball.
I’m getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and ‘maybe it won’t be so bad’ and less horror), but two things in common.
- Brexit comparisons(2016 had more, but still)
- People blaming a dead beloved mammal for cursing the timeline(Squirrelboy is up there with Harambe now…)
Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode “You Go High, We Go Low”.
Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I’m fond of mutualism in particular.
Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.
This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.
What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.
Just ran a ballpark. 22% of Americans voted for Trump. That’s all it took
It aint even about moral high road, shes just ready to take the money and run.
Wow, so noble.
Shes fine with it.
Every stance she took will be adhered to, and she is going to get the Republicans in the cabinet that she wanted so bad.
Somehow I think the person who would have been the first female president is not “fine” with losing to Donald Trump.
If she really cared, maybe she would have declined the AIPAC money, set a redeemable platform, and sunk one of the easiest wins in US history.
She didnt do that though. Did she?
You’re in an echo chamber if you think the general population cares that much about the situation in Gaza. Funny how all you talking heads hyperfocus on this one aspect that most people don’t care enough about.
If you truly cared about it, then you would understand that Trump is going to be oh so much worse.
You and your ilk are a one note song.
It’s not a matter of “not caring” to win. She miscalculated and campaigned wrong. Did Trump lose in 2020 because he didn’t care to win?
Oh ya, miscalculated a whole shit ton of money into her pocket, again, still keeps all of her stances intact, and gets to cha ching make the AIPAC money ring and bury the Democrats again in 4 years.
Youre right, its not that she doesnt care. Its that this is exactly what she planned.
Your sarcasm doesn’t make your nonsense into sense .
Ok whatever you say.
Exactly!
Of course she made a concession speech. Because Democrats are constitutionally unable to accept the reality we voted into power 2016.
The party deserves extinction.
What are you even saying here?
“when we lose an election, we accept the results”
Will, that’s a lie. Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone.
EDIT My point was the Left blamed Trump for it and/or he anything to do with it. But he didn’t.
Except that Russia did and has continued funding disinformation to sow division and hatred among Americans.
You can look up Tenet Media and how they filtered Russian money down to major right wing political commentators.
There’s nothing fake about that.
Just sharing your blessing of extra chromosomes with us all, huh?
Do you believe Russia has interfered in any election?
Just trying to figure out what reality we’re in before going further.
Salty vatnik.
Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone
That whole thing was about Russia using social media to spend disinformation. The entire thing wasn’t that, Russia hacked into the ballot boxes and changed votes, it was that Russia was using social media as a means to give false information to the public.
Underpinning the whole Russia-gate episode is the fact that human beings still physically pushed the buttons they pushed and that the vote they cast was indeed the vote they wished to cast. So we still accept the results as, technically speaking, the people have spoken.
But c’mon, you’ve seen the increase in AI slop. You know the Russia-gate stuff is true. In fact, I would dare say this election cycle they’ve gotten worse at doing it as they’re still pretty new at the whole AI stuff. Now where I, myself, and other Democrats likely disagree is the how to solve it. Lots of Democrats want to ban AI and regulate social media, but my opinion is you can’t fight fire by banning the match. You have to teach fire safety and hope the public is smart enough to not set themselves on fire.
But the important aspect is in all of this, the ballots that were cast, we still respect the final tally. That’s the fundamental difference between the Russia-gate and Trump’s legal challenges. The Russia-gate stuff is basically people are being misled. Trump’s stuff was that people were literally altering the ballot computer.
I think people are still being misled… BUT, Trump won this one fair and square. The law doesn’t say a person being misled shouldn’t have their vote count, and such a law would be insanely stupid/incredibly dangerous, even if it favored my particular team. We fix being misled by educating people and so losing this election just means that the educating folks game needs to up the ante. Best anyone can do is put the sources out there, show where the misinformation is wrong, and leave it up to the voter to read all of that come to the conclusion that matches reality. But if they don’t, we’ve got to accept that and work on better messaging.
That’s how one makes a point. They present the view, present the evidence, and use a persuasive argument. The rest is up to the voter to put together.
