If voters needed additional motivation to vote against that, it’s entirely their fault. “You didn’t convince me enough so now I’m going to kill you”, a line that a cartune villain would say, and we all understand that it’s villain. But " you didn’t convince me enough so I vote for that one who is going to kill millions" is apparently an OK take
Most people aren’t glued to politics. It’s the job of the campaign to get people’s attention and give them a reason to vote. They clearly failed at that because they lost. You can blame human nature but a good campaign takes human nature into account and this campaign was not a good one.
Do you want to win or do you just want to blame the people? If you want to win you have to find a way to motivate them whether they are being reasonable or not
If they aren’t “glued to politics” they will not get any of the messages, so message itself is clearly not the issue here. You will never appeal to voters that don’t care about anything, they can’t hear you. You will never appeal to online left, they don’t care about politics, only about purity contest. You might appear to non-voters, it doesn’t matter they will find an excuse to not vote anyway.
The issue with this election wasn’t anything Dems could do or not do or did wrong. The issue is that America runs on hate and hateful part is united, and the other half isn’t and never will be and half of it actually runs on the same hate just scared to agree.
The only mistake Dems made this time is they forgot what America actually is. Next time they will run regressive right wing old dude and win again, but it will not be a win for anyone.
Win that I want, win for progress is impossible because America doesn’t want it.
Progressive policies are actually popular. Universal healthcare is popular, raising the minimum wage is popular. But the Democratic party will only run on half measures that satisfy no one because they are beholden to their corporate funders
Not according to voters patterns they aren’t. Comments on Reddit, threads on Lemmy and shits on Xitter doesn’t do anything if by the end of the day people who are incredibly active in those threads just don’t vote. It is either because it’s actually not a lot of people doing a lot of noise, or a lot of people who don’t know how American democracy operates, and it doesn’t matter if there is a difference. Promises of progressive politics don’t bring votes, simple as.
When polls come out about individual issues they show Americans in favor of progressive policies. If the Dems can’t turn that into election outcomes it’s their failure
Those polls mean shit, if people who vaguely “want progressive policies” then turn back and either vote directly against them, or just don’t do anything. You can yapp whatever you want, want whatever you want, but if you don’t vote for it, or at least against polar opposite, you might as well put your head up your ass and express your opinions to the audience there.
People who saw Trump, and didn’t vote against him for a candidate that is obviously, demonstrably better on all the issues you can care about, didn’t do it because that candidate wasn’t better enough, they did what they did because they OK with Trump. As to who’s fault it is… I don’t know, human nature probably, lack of education, lead paint, huge number of factors.
As to who’s fault it is… I don’t know, human nature probably, lack of education, lead paint, huge number of factors.
Do you want the Democratic party to take these factors into account and find a way to succeed despite them or do you want them to keep doing the same thing and failing?
Universal healthcare is popular. Raising the minimum wage is popular. Being openly hostile to the robber barrons of our age is incredibly popular.
It is possible to run a left populist campaign and win on these things but that’s not something the dems are comfortable with
Do you give up because people aren’t reasonable? Or do you find a way to appeal to them despite that?
If you pick giving up then you’re letting fascism win
It’s frustrating to have to support a party that doesn’t understand how to run a popular campaign. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this. The dems will always kowtow to big donors instead of proposing policy that will make average people’s lives better
If voters needed additional motivation to vote against that, it’s entirely their fault. “You didn’t convince me enough so now I’m going to kill you”, a line that a cartune villain would say, and we all understand that it’s villain. But " you didn’t convince me enough so I vote for that one who is going to kill millions" is apparently an OK take
Most people aren’t glued to politics. It’s the job of the campaign to get people’s attention and give them a reason to vote. They clearly failed at that because they lost. You can blame human nature but a good campaign takes human nature into account and this campaign was not a good one.
Do you want to win or do you just want to blame the people? If you want to win you have to find a way to motivate them whether they are being reasonable or not
If they aren’t “glued to politics” they will not get any of the messages, so message itself is clearly not the issue here. You will never appeal to voters that don’t care about anything, they can’t hear you. You will never appeal to online left, they don’t care about politics, only about purity contest. You might appear to non-voters, it doesn’t matter they will find an excuse to not vote anyway.
The issue with this election wasn’t anything Dems could do or not do or did wrong. The issue is that America runs on hate and hateful part is united, and the other half isn’t and never will be and half of it actually runs on the same hate just scared to agree.
The only mistake Dems made this time is they forgot what America actually is. Next time they will run regressive right wing old dude and win again, but it will not be a win for anyone.
Win that I want, win for progress is impossible because America doesn’t want it.
Progressive policies are actually popular. Universal healthcare is popular, raising the minimum wage is popular. But the Democratic party will only run on half measures that satisfy no one because they are beholden to their corporate funders
Not according to voters patterns they aren’t. Comments on Reddit, threads on Lemmy and shits on Xitter doesn’t do anything if by the end of the day people who are incredibly active in those threads just don’t vote. It is either because it’s actually not a lot of people doing a lot of noise, or a lot of people who don’t know how American democracy operates, and it doesn’t matter if there is a difference. Promises of progressive politics don’t bring votes, simple as.
When polls come out about individual issues they show Americans in favor of progressive policies. If the Dems can’t turn that into election outcomes it’s their failure
Those polls mean shit, if people who vaguely “want progressive policies” then turn back and either vote directly against them, or just don’t do anything. You can yapp whatever you want, want whatever you want, but if you don’t vote for it, or at least against polar opposite, you might as well put your head up your ass and express your opinions to the audience there.
People who saw Trump, and didn’t vote against him for a candidate that is obviously, demonstrably better on all the issues you can care about, didn’t do it because that candidate wasn’t better enough, they did what they did because they OK with Trump. As to who’s fault it is… I don’t know, human nature probably, lack of education, lead paint, huge number of factors.
Do you want the Democratic party to take these factors into account and find a way to succeed despite them or do you want them to keep doing the same thing and failing?
Universal healthcare is popular. Raising the minimum wage is popular. Being openly hostile to the robber barrons of our age is incredibly popular.
It is possible to run a left populist campaign and win on these things but that’s not something the dems are comfortable with
Dont copy paste shit in multiple comments, first of all. Supremely lazy.
Secondly, no. There is a certian point where a reasonable person votes against something, and we were way past that point
Do you give up because people aren’t reasonable? Or do you find a way to appeal to them despite that? If you pick giving up then you’re letting fascism win
At no point did I suggest giving up, it’s just frustrating to have such a slapdash coalition
It’s frustrating to have to support a party that doesn’t understand how to run a popular campaign. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this. The dems will always kowtow to big donors instead of proposing policy that will make average people’s lives better