• Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    Again this a delusional view. No democrat has ever been like “oh I lost an election, better adopt more leftwing policies”. Because nonvoting is not clear messaging it will never be effective messaging.

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      23 days ago

      I disagree. The Tea Party tanked the 2010 and 2012 election for republicans but it forced them to go hard right ever since and they got everything they wanted.

      Democrats put electability over all else and compromised their principles, which is why they are in a toss up right now against an unpopular Trump with unpopular policies. This should have been an easy win, but Biden avoided meeting any Palestinians whatsoever and Harris sadly kept that up. Even minimal pandering would help and she won’t even do that. It’s not so much that she’s doing nothing for my community but Biden actively would throw insults at it (“I have zero trust for Palestinians”) and Harris won’t even distance herself from those hateful remarks. Just say he was wrong to say that and she’d get a ton of votes, I don’t even think she would lose Zionist votes like she’s afraid of.

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        23 days ago

        Excuse me did you just say the tea party succeeded? The #1 goal of the tea party was to eliminate deficit spending. They have done the opposite. They cut taxes and blew up the deficit.

        What an insane example of a strategy to mimic. Their “protest” backfired on them spectacularly. It also doesn’t even account for the fact the tea party was wholly fabricated from like the Koch brothers and Fox News.

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          The tea party took control of the Republican Party and forced every noncompliant Republican out via the primaries. It handed control of GOP to Koch brothers and no Republican in office today dares to cross Fox News. They succeeded in that goal even if those policies harmed the country (and they don’t care).

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            22 days ago

            That’s not a “successful leftward strategy” When voters get tricked into nonvoting donors gain more power in the parties. Like that happens in both parties. None of the stated goals of the tea party happened but the corporations behind the tea party succeeded. Its 100% the opposite of a successful leftist strategy

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          22 days ago

          the tea aparty didnt seem to be about goals, it was about grievance. Seemed to be the birth of maga. But I admit I wasnt listening to them very closely.

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            22 days ago

            you can still find their stated listed of goals. Trump actually killed the tea party when he passed his deficit bomb tax cuts. Like Paul Ryan basically was the face of the tea party and bailed out once it became obvious he was never serious about it.

            The dem equivalent of the Tea Party are “Blue Dog Democrats” “Joe Manchin/Kristen Sinema” “Eric Adams”

            If you aren’t willing to vote for somewhat icky democrats you get the first ex-republican corporations can scoop up. Not voting will solidify Dick Cheney and Nikki Haley as the furthest left we’ll get to choose from next election because if Joe Biden is electable and Harris isnt, the obvious conclusion democrats will be sold on is that they need to be somewhere between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.