• Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    9 hours ago

    If your point is “some people think that killing is wrong”, feel free to consider your point proven.

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      You’re choosing between “lots of people being killed” vs “LOOOOOOTTTTTSSSS of people being killed”

      Based on your own morality you have outlined, ethically you would choose to vote Kamala then, as under her far far fewer people will die.

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          No demon at all has created it; other humans have. You aren’t the sole person responsible for responding to it, but your actions will contribute to what happens next, non-action included.

          You can say that this kind of situation implies someone else has done something wrong, leaving you holding the bag, and you’d be right, if nobody had done something wrong, we wouldn’t have a genocide to talk about in the first place- but saying that leaving you holding the moral bag was a wrong thing to do doesn’t change the fact that you are now holding that bag, along with all the rest of us. And about half of us (referring to the people of the US as a whole), if you haven’t noticed, have every desire of causing even more harm. “Neither” is simply not an option when failing to choose the least bad thing will result in someone else choosing the worse one. It’s not fair, it’s repulsive even, but the universe does not work in such a way as to ensure only fair moral choices exist. Morality is a thing we invented, the world doesn’t care about conforming to it.

          Getting the best outcome you have with the bad options presented you matters more than whether or not you feel your own personal hands are clean- because metaphorically clean hands will not save the people of Palestine, and likely would doom some, and others elsewhere, that could have been saved. A clean feeling conscience bought by leaving people you could have helped to die is little more than a delusion of innocence.

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            5 hours ago

            It’s not fair, it’s repulsive even, but the universe does not work in such a way

            It’s not the universe, it’s the human world. This is a solely human problem, and I do not find myself emotionally attached to the idea of being human.

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              Neither do I, as I’m a transhumanist, but that is pretty much irrelevant to this, because how on earth do one’s feelings about one’s species even have any bearing on this?

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                5 hours ago

                because how on earth do one’s feelings about one’s species even have any bearing on this?

                I don’t think you understand the syntax of my sentence, sorry.