Any western government or leader surprised that Ukraine is now talking about developing their own nuclear weapons program needs to understand that they wouldn’t even be considering that if we had just fucking held up our end of the deal.
With the Budapest Memorandum, they surrendered their (former Soviet) nukes in exchange for security guarantees. The guarantees ended up being worth less than the paper they were written on. Ergo, Ukraine, seeking security guarantees on its own terms, feels compelled to re-develop nuclear weapons technology, because that’s a guarantee nobody’s going to be able to forcibly take from you once you have it.
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The New World Order is quickly becoming the Old World Order
Yeah, Hogan’s a wrinkly mess, Nash has gone from brown hair, to grey hair to white hair. Hall is dead.
Germany, Britain and the US supporting a White Colonist State mass murdering the locals whose land they’ve been stealing and who they claim are violent and savage.
We’re basically back in the late 1800s.
You’re just catching onto this NOW???
We did hold up our end.
We brought it before the UNSC, Russia vetoed any proposal. That was our agreement, Russia did not hold up theirs.
This is why the VETO power needs to go.
Unfortunately, without the veto power I expect the nuclear-armed countries would just leave the UN and it would lose what little usefulness it still has.
Test that argument and build something better if it holds true?
Btw, peer pressure works on countries too!
This may also be a bargaining chip to get them into NATO.
Concerning username, given the subject matter…
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I mean, yeah, but Orban is going to dig his heels in on that. So the only really viable option if Hungary blocks their entry indefinitely is to get nukes.
And nuke orban preferably
There was absolutely no way that the West was going to allow a fragile, Russia-leaning corrupt new state keep the nuclear weapons, and Russia wasn’t down for it either. It was never in the cards regardless of what Ukraine was granted “in return.” Just as Ukraine will not be allowed to develop the bomb now by either Russia or the West.
I agree. They deserved one of two things in returned for giving up their nukes.
NATO membership.
Or a mutual defense treaty of the style seen in South Korea and Japan - i.e. Ukraine should come under the US nuclear umbrella.
Don’t forget America pinky promised security guarantees
America promised to bring it before the UNSC, which they did.
93 Budapest memorandum if you wanna read
The UK and, funnily enough, Russia also promised to come to their aid
Where? The Budapest Memorandum just calls for the UK to call the UNSC in case Ukraine gets attacked. It does not mean the UK has to send any weapons or soldiers to Ukraine.
There are several countries who gave up WMDs, either deployed or in development. Iraq, Libya, South Africa, and Ukraine. Of these, only South Africa was left alone. And to be clear, two of the remaining three were attacked by the US.
So what we’ve done here is signal to the smaller powers that they should never negotiate away their WMDs. You’re just going to get invaded, anyway. I can’t blame smaller powers for going that way at all.
Edit: and to be extra clear, this also applies to Iran and N Korea. They have no incentive to give up their nuclear programs.
The hypocrisy against Iran in particular is bothersome in that Israel has illegally developed and possesses nukes. That’s Iran’s justification, and it’s validated further with each passing day.
The American world order is falling apart and nuclear weapons are proliferating, we may very well see “tactical” nukes used in combat in my lifetime, and who knows what the response will be.
Meanwhile all anyone says about the decline of USA is “lol it’s weird, they’re so weird.” A future history book, if we’re lucky and have them, will have pictures of memes next to pictures of mushroom clouds.
Where the fuck is everyone
You know what? That’s just fair. Everyone fucked Ukraine over with the Budapest memorandum so what else are they supposed to do?
It was a rookie move to give it up, it was a rookie move not to strap up, it was a rookie move not have contiguency plans in place.
Being right and good guy dont do shit. Having your guns and plans is how you survive.
Sucks to suck but this is real politik.
With that said, nuclear detterance doctrine is utter failure and rules based international order is a sad joke.
US is helping israel do genocide
Russia got korea to enter the war on their side.
Ukraine weapons with millionn restrictions and limp dick supoort with from US and Germany.
Lord have mercy, hoepfully balts, nords and ee countries support is enough for ukraine. Otherwise they gonna die slowly.
