The Republican presidential candidate ridiculously claimed that Biden is "trying to hold" Bibi back, as the Israeli prime minister continued to ruthlessly bomb Lebanon and Gaza.

“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

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    “He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

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        It was straight after you seemed to be criticising “vote blue no matter who” and appeared to be equating voting for Harris with voting for Netanyahu, which sounds a lot like advocating not voting for Harris to me. Certainly it’s how a bunch of self-declared “leftists” argue right before they show their true colours and advocate for actions more likely to bring about a Trump win. But no, true, you didn’t actually get that far.

        prole clearly had the same impression about where you were coming from with their response. I didn’t push it because you pretty immediately said you would be voting for Harris, but I think I was right to bring a bit of balance, because it all seemed a bit one sided about which candidate supports Netanyahu and the world in general needed reminding that Trump is pretty vocally supportive of the genocide in Gaza.

        I take your point, though, because I think I did treat you as if you were advocating for abstention, which you didn’t explicitly do, but to be fair, neither did I explicitly accuse you of it.

        I do think we should chalk this one up to us both reading a bit more into what each other were saying than what was actually said. Either way, I apologise for making you feel criticised for things you didn’t say.

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          It was straight after you seemed to be criticising “vote blue no matter who”

          It has become obvious that it just means “vote for the centrist, but centrists are under no obligation to vote for a progressive under similar circumstances.” Democrats are super scared of alienating pro-genocide centrists, but are happy to just lecture progressives about how they’re all trumpers if they don’t get with the program and support the eradication of Palestinians. After decades, this is really stretching party loyalty for a lot of us, and to be screamed at and called trumpers just because we don’t like the genocide that centrists seem to be fucking delighted with, well, it’s becoming clear that party loyalty is expected, but never reciprocated.

          I do think we should chalk this one up to us both reading a bit more into what each other were saying than what was actually said. Either way, I apologise for making you feel criticised for things you didn’t say.

          Apology accepted.

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            I appreciate it. I think we might be able to agree that the genocide needs to stop immediately, and also that if she wins, Kamala Harris needs to make it an absolute top priority as soon as she gets into the oval office!

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              She should make some indication before she gets into the oval office. But she won’t. I’m voting for her tomorrow morning when early voting opens in my state. But I’m taking a long shower afterwards. And that “I voted” sticker is going upside down on my laptop. Maybe one day there will be one that can go right side up again, but given that the Democratic Party is one of two pro-genocide parties in this country and the only way they ever change is to move to the right, that’s not happening.

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      I’m not sure why you’re quoting trump here. I don’t support him. Do you consider his words to be true or laudable? Do you just imagine that anyone who doesn’t support genocide must be a trumper?

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        If you vote third party or don’t vote, you support him.

        You know this. You know the math. It has been explained to you dozens of times, and I will not waste my time further after this comment.

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          If you vote third party or don’t vote, you support him.

          Then it’s a good thing that I’m voting for Harris, as I have said many times. Not that you care. You see any opposition at all to genocide and immediately and without so much as a first thought assume “trumper.”

          It’s possible to oppose genocide without being a trumper. You should try it. Opposing genocide, that is, not being a trumper.