• Myxomatosis@lemmy.world
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    I’m a nurse and there is no amount of money you could possibly pay me to work in Texas again. That entire state is hostile towards healthcare workers.

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    Democrats did this by not codifying

    This kind of gaslighting should not be tolerated. Everyone take a moment and block that troll.

    That’s like saying that the burgler that bypassed your locks by smashing a window is fully justified because you didn’t put cages over the glass. Reproductive rights were protected by 50 years of precedent. Roe was established case law for decades and was overturned by a court that rejected how the judicial branch was working and has worked for centuries by ignoring precedent, accepting a case on weak standing to challenge it, and arguing that the established case law was wrong on shakey arguments.

    Don’t let right-wing nuts lie to you about objective reality.

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      How can you simultaneously claim that abortion was protected only by precedent, yet the democrats did everything in their power to preserve it?

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        Oh you’re trying so hard to build a strawman! How adorable.

        Roe was established case law. Reproductive rights were settled. Blaming Democrats when the actions of Republicans baselessly dismissed it is moronic.

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          Okay… so why haven’t dems baselessy reinstated it?

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            You may wish to observe that the Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives, meaning the Democratic Caucus lacks the votes to reinstate it.

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              And, in states with Democratic majorities, they are codifying it at the state level. Sucks for the rest of us, though. I’m moving out of one of them for many reasons, but one important one is for my children.

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        Logically, the answer would have to be that Democrats lack the power to preserve it. Which happens to be true because:

        1. Ordinary legislation would not be sufficient to overturn state laws regarding abortion due to the 10th Amendment, and even if it was the 2/3 Republican court would overturn it anyway.
        2. A constitutional amendment would require a 2/3 majority that Democrats will not have in this lifetime.
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    I think a lot of people forget the automatic abortion bans specifically set up for the overturning of Roe v Wade. Republicans have wanted this for over 50 years. It’s like pointing a remote control rocket launcher at your neighbor’s house and then lobbying to get rocket launcher related domestic terrorisms legalized. Okay, maybe a bit extreme, but still your pregnant neighbor dies with an unborn child in either case, so…

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      If you know that, so do Democrats. Yet they did nothing to protect it.

      Obama: “Protecting Roe is not a priority.”

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    Conservatives did this. Trump was the tool they used, but this would have happened under Jeb! or any other Republican president as well.

    Don’t let the rest of the party off the hook. They all own this.

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    Amber Thurmond should still be alive. And there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was. - JD Vance at the debate

    We’ve got to do so much better of a job at earning the American People’s trust back on this issue where they frankly just don’t trust us. - Also JD Vance at the debate

    Not hard to connect these dots JD

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      Decades ago, the parties were much different than today. There were pro-choice Republicans and pro-life Democrats. Only one time in recent (2000+) memory did the Dems ever have the 60 votes necessary for codifying Roe. They used that two-ish week window to pass the ACA.

      And that’s not even touching on the differing public approval of abortion.

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      As if these zealots wouldn’t have ruled it unconstitutional or slowly weakend it with a series of cases anyway. See recent decisions gutting Voting Rights Act, weakening the Clean Water Act, Campaign Reform Act of 2002, Dodd-Frank and other federal laws.

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        Look, republicans suck ass, it’s true. But if Dems had codified Roe into law either time they had the supermajority (two chances in the last 20 years), then the corrupt SC wouldn’t have been able to do jack shit. If dems had any integrity, they would shoulder a significant amount of the blame for this issue, because they had their chance and deemed it “not a priority.”

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          Sure, Dems absolutely should have codified it. However, a federal law protecting abortion rights as health care against the religious freedom of a regional Catholic hospital’s beliefs not to save a mother’s life with an abortion would be the test case and I’m pretty sure I know how 5 of the Justices would vote. This SCOTUS know they have unchecked power and are no longer afraid to wield it.

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            Would be interesting to see that play out fully. Here’s hoping we get the chance to do so in the next few years. Its so heartbreaking that so many women are suffering/dying because of these regressive policy positions.

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              I’ll never, ever forget the very first thing Democrats did when Republicans successfully overturned Roe.

              They sent out a mass text asking for $15 donations because of what had just happened.

              They had that shit ready to go immediately. Maybe if they had put a fraction of that preparation into having legislation ready to go, they wouldn’t have wasted their opportunities to protect Americans’ rights.

              But at least they did for the only thing that matters. Fundraising.

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                  Republicans were trying to overturn Roe for half a century. Best Democrats were willing to do in response was to cynically regard it as a fundraising opportunity.

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                They had that text waiting to be sent for years. The story was hot off the press when I got mine begging for money

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                  Turns out the party that does nothing and calls it incrementalism can move pretty quickly when they’re panhandling.

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        So what I’m hearing is if Democrats had codified it, Republicans would have come along and got it struck down. But to fix the problem we need to elect more Democrats to get it codified?

        No one else sees the circular reasoning behind this?

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          And if we have another 2016, Trump can appoint Thomas and Alito’s successors, and maybe some more, with more Federalist Society hacks.

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      I agree both major parties had a hand in this directly or indirectly. But only one has any chance of changing this for the better.