• ComradeLeonie [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    10 hours ago

    Not quite sure why people here are that happy about it. If I understand this correctly then this isn’t even enough to cover current inflation, removes their right to strike for the next 6 years, has no hours-reduction, has no single payment to cover the past inflation. I don’t see how this is a win for workers. This seems like a huge win for the companies considering what else would have been possible.

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      10 minutes ago

      The mafia affiliate who runs the ILA seemed to be happy with the arrangement. He was prepared for the union to get Taft Hartley’d and sent back to work for 90 days, so the fact that he accepted the agreement tells me that the salary gains (longshoremen make stupid money as it is) are worth the temporary concessions. I’m pretty sure a 62% raise over 6 years covers inflation. When the contracts are up for renewal, I’m sure they’ll address any grievances then.

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      This seems like a huge win for the companies considering what else would have been possible.

      To them it’s a huge loss compared to what would’ve happened without the union - max 5% annual raises, if that.

      has no single payment to cover the past inflation

      That’s like Netflix telling you “hey we didn’t raise our prices enough to keep up with inflation, we’ll now charge you for last 5 year’s inflation in a single payment”

      It won’t fly because it wasn’t in the original contract.

      has no hours-reduction

      Normally I’d agree with you that this sucks, but aren’t they hourly? Hours reduction means pay reduction. If I was hourly, I’d want the ability to work more hours (AND obviously a higher hourly rate to begin with)

      You’re talking about this like this isn’t a huge win for these workers, but that’s just not true. Yeah there’s been bad inflation, but minimum, mean and median wages have NOT increased nearly as fast as they should. Hell the minimum in the US has been unchanged for decades. And plenty of people still make minimum (or less in tipped jobs).

      Now we just need more sectors to form unions, and strike successfully. In more countries than just the US. Here in EU we make less in tech than longshoremen do in the US whereas in the US, tech salaries are nearly uncapped. Unions could help. And obviously unions in the less well-paid industries are even more important.

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        6 hours ago

        To them it’s a huge loss compared to what would’ve happened without the union - max 5% annual raises, if that.

        This is a ridiculous and liberal lesser-evilism. A pay rise below inflation is a pay cut. This is such an important point which trade unionists have been pushing since forever. We consistently see trade union leaders accepting pay cuts of this nature, against the will of rank and file unionised workers, when there is plenty of momentum for escalated strike action and an actual pay rise, with inflation, is entirely achievable. We absolutely need to be criticising the labour movement shooting itself in the foot.

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          6 hours ago

          The labor movement here is probably getting a 10x bigger raise than your average worker in the same timeframe. I can damn near guarantee Walmart isn’t going to raise its wages more than 1 or 2 dollars per hour in the timeframe these guys are getting 24 extra dollars per hour. Hell, they might not give ANY raises since there are mass layoffs happening and unemployment is on the rise.

          Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

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            3 hours ago

            Accepting pay cuts only serves to aid the capitalist class and dampen working class militancy. Please stop spinning losses as wins. It helps nobody.

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              3 hours ago

              It’s not a pay cut if you’re getting an 8% raise YoY when the historic average inflation is closer to 3% and 2024 is shaping up to be lower than that, with 2025 forecast to be lower than 2024.

              If they repeat this 6 years from now, they could be making $200k+ annually soon enough, that’s a huge amount of money for your average person.