Really? After the absolute clownshow that was Starfield, my expectations for TES6 are extremely low.
I had low expectations before, but Starfield killed them completely. Starfield actually helped me get over worrying about TES6, because I just lost interest.
Eh, I lost interest about an hour after their initial announcement video 6 years ago. It was obvious that there was no game then, and that it would be a long time before there was anything resembling a game.
So maybe I’ll be interested when they actually launch info about it, but until then, I just assume it doesn’t exist.
My expectations for a TES game are low by default. They just provide the world, the modders provide the game.
I mean maybe if you hadn’t been milking Skyrim for 13 fucking years, expectations wouldn’t be so unreasonably high, would they?
I sincerely doubt that.
Maybe they shouldn’t use marketers. From what I see, marketers are the reason for unreal hype. Look at cyberpunk, marketers told poeple that it was going to be basically a real life simulator and then people were upset that it was only a really fun RPG. (Aside from the launch issues this was also a big thing at launch).
All modern games hype is directly because of marketers.
Here’s a novel thing. Just show us what the game is like. No stupid marketing lingo, no flashy graphics, just what the game is like. Give us the opening mission. There, pay me a marketing fee. No stupid high expectations, no lying about features that don’t actually exist, just telling the consumer honestly what they’re buying.
Remember the time when we had demoes that we could test before commiting to a buy? We should come back to that. Arguably Steam’s return policy could be used as a demo although it only gives access to the beginning of the game and the plethora of cinematics and tutorials, and does not focus on a core part of the gameplay.
Steam’s recent update to carve out a category for demo’s is kinda what you are asking for. At least it is in the right direction, if devs follow it.
Look at cyberpunk, marketers told poeple that it was going to be basically a real life simulator and then people were upset that it was only a really fun RPG
We can’t put all the blame on marketers. It is still to this day a wonky, janky, buggy and substandard RPG. There was no level of softening that would make Cyberpunk palatable enough to be entirely free of negative sentiment.
pay me a marketing fee
Average pay is like 50-60k [per year] for a[n average of a] 40 hour week [job], less if you’re like social media coordinator or something. It’s not like it’s crazy money.
And why hate on people that are usually artists, writers, creatives etc spending half their life using their talents in a bland corporate way to make money to pay the bills so they can spend 10% of their life actually creating art?
Plus, everyone’s job is easy when you reduce it to simplistic terms
I can be a back end developer: just organize the data and show it on my screen. Don’t show me a login page, don’t ask for my preferences, don’t give me help articles, just organize the data
I can be a firefighter: just put out the fire, don’t ride around in a big truck, don’t slide down a pole just put out the fire.
50-60k for a week‽.
That’s almost pretty much double the average monthly salary here.
a year to work a full time job I meant.
edit: I looked it up, average - 50th percentile - is actually $79k per annum. Still not crazy money for a full time job.
Lol, I also messed up the currency conversion. Of course we don’t earn around 30k USD a month. That would be insane. We earn on average around 30-35k SEK a month which is much less.
I honestly don’t even think vanilla Skyrim was that good of a game. It had nice world building, but the combat sucked, the main story was kinda whatever, it was glitchy and a lot of systems were poorly thought out. It’s only ever been the promise of a good game which was mostly found in mods.
Skyrim was good because sandbox, music, culture and mood. The parts that made it bad, were endearing.
Combat sucked and you had to spend way too long in the garbage ass inventory/ menus which just ruined the immersion. Im passing on Bethesda games until they fix that dumb shit, but I don’t think they will anytime soon. All of their games seem like a soulless copy-paste the theme into the same boring engine.
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Fall Out 4, mediocre.
Fall Out 76, bad.
Starfield, bad.
I fully expect tes6 to be ass.
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On the other hand it also has one of the worst main stories in an RPG ever
Ideas are cheap, you can literally list a hundred ideas for good games in a day. The hard part is an implementation that matches your imagination of what it would be like.
and this fact makes things worse because it’s their in-house engine and if they can’t make their ideas and execution work on their own framework that’s an even bigger failure. It’s not like they were trying to learn Unreal while making their game
Their engine is not the issue. Starfield in particular needed a lot more investment into making their engine work for that style of game, but it is functional for FO and TES. Switching to UE would require building a ton of tools, creating a lot of new tech, and having the team learn to use it. UE isn’t just some perfect engine you can swap over to. It has tons of issues and things you need to learn. The bones of it are as old as the Creation Engine’s too.
My biggest issue with Starfield was the writing. The stories were boring and mostly didn’t make sense. They also forced you down one or two paths, even when other options should have been available. This is also true for their other games, but much less noticeable.
They’ve also been removing the player’s ability to make their own fun in the world, and instead you just have to follow what they’ve given you. For example, no spell crafting in Skyrim, and very limited enchanting. Why? They still aren’t balanced. They’re just less fun and interesting.
points taken, but what I meant was that they of all people should be able to make the best possible game on their engine. if they were making the game on a new engine it’d be easier to understand if their eyes were bigger than their stomach due to their inexperience
been playing Fallout:NV and its so good. They should go back to using elder scrolls as a way to show off new engines and then license them out to new companies to make games.
Skyrim should be seen as an abberation here. If the game turns out good thats just a plus
New Vegas was made by Obsidian in 18 months
yeah that’s the point, Bethesda generally builds an ok game and engine and puts an above average mod/design system on it. Obsidian is far better at making actual video games.
They’re 100% right. I don’t expect Bethesda to make anything good.
I expect it to be a buggy mess that has lots of potential and doesn’t deliver on half of what it seems like it should do. Then after a year or two it will finally be patched into being mostly stable and mods will have reached a point where it can mostly be turned into the game I actually want. However there will be a few creative decisions that I absolutely hate but which are so unnecessarily locked in that even mods can’t fix them, so I’ll have to just accept them as an irritant that I will do my best to ignore.
They’re gonna block mod tools, just wait.
Considering how the modding community made Skyrim a long-term success, this would be a very foolish decision.
They’re going to try make paid mods a thing again.
You say that as if it removes the possibility but I don’t think I need to provide specific examples of obviously foolish decisions ruining modern games. There are plenty to choose from.
Oh absolutely, and Bethesda is absolutely capable of that. It would be very myopic for them though. They can’t possibly be ignorant of the fact that modding is what kept Skyrim selling for a decade.
Preventing modding would be a substantial exercise in hubris (“we don’t need them”), or one of those intentional failure/tax writeoff things.
If they did that nobody would even be able to play the game, you expect Bethesda to do their own patching!?
You’ll have to pay a subscription fee.
What a cop-out.
Bethesda didn’t have trouble making games when they cared about making games. Now, they care about making money. Yes, devs should get paid for their work. But design decisions based on anything other than making a good game poison the well.
This is why small devs are absolutely killing it with indie games on PC at the moment. AAA titles fail over and over again, because they’re designed for C-suite pockets first and gamers second.
There already are a few indie Morrowind clones like Dread Delusion that I’ve had my eye on. Not sure what elements will have been compromised by the budget but keen to give it a go after payday next week.
At this point I could give up a lot in terms of budget. Give me text without audio all day long if the writing is good. I think we’ve lost our way on RPGs.
One great bonus of no voice acting is modding is a lot easier. It’s cool seeing how well Sim Settlements was able to use existing voice lines for the player and make them work, but I’m sure it was a lot of effort. Most small mods end up having to just use books and things like that because they can’t afford acting talent. If you just have text for characters speaking there’s no limit for them.
WoW’s talking heads, for example.
Not an improvement.
Thank God they lowered the expectations after Starfield.
I know I’m in the minority, but I fucking love Starfield.
It’s a galactic scale zen garden when I need peace.
It’s a shooter/space combat sim when I choose violence.
There’s things that aren’t good about it, it needs so many more factions, followers, and NPC interaction points to fill the fish bowl that’s there, but there’s so much to love too, IMHO.
In a time where MOST major studio games have turned to no effort live service dogshit, I think hating on flawed but grand games like Starfield as just more unsalvagable garbage is just an invitation to studios to keep churning out actual garbage like Suicide Squad since there’s no pleasing modern gamers so don’t bother trying, just lean entirely on an IPs nostalgia.
So happy for you! I think it’s a fine game with great highs, but it is a different game when compared to Skyrim obviously, which makes one wonder how ES6 would be.
Edit: fixed the ?. I was genuinely happy for you
You make it sound as if I’m the one that brought Starfield up out of nowhere in relation to Skyrim/TE6.
No wait. That “?” was a typo. I genuinely meant I’m happy for you.
Ah thank you for the clarification! Sorry socials can be hostile places didn’t mean to take that the most hostile way.
Yeah. It was my bad.
That’s awesome but on paper I still think it’s objectively bad. I got the game for free with my CPU and still feel like I got burned some how. There’s no world where I see myself ever finishing that game.
Yeah, I was gonna say. I’m sure it’ll meet my expectations, and I’ll be disappointed.
And Fallout 76, and in some sense, Fallout 4
Anything that makes marketers sad is a win for the world, honestly
They’re usually just liars acting as a filter between the game and the interested customers.
Instead of just showing the game, they cut what doesn’t look good and make it appear as something more than it is. That’s their job.
It’s not adding value. Peak marketing executed perfectly is just misleading enough to increase sales beyond what just seeing the game would do, without making the customers mad enough to have a negative impact.
I make a rare exception for actual artistry, like some of the WoW expansion cinematics. It’s still pretty misleading, but they’re pretty.
As for the next Elder Scrolls, I don’t think Bethesda has the devs to make it fun or interesting. From what I’ve seen from them, they are not particularly competent.
Step 1, this time don’t have an unskippable intro that lasts 30 minutes before you can start actually playing.
noted! are you thinking 2 hours is long enough, or should we really try for three?
Or have it as a toggle after your first time watching it
Most annoying part of Fallout 3.
Hey, you’re finally awake
3 did this perfectly.
Seems like a good spot to put some unskippable ads. This is a million dollar idea!
lol, you don’t have an issue with Elder Scrolls 6.
You have an issue with Skyrim.
Obviously. ES6 isn’t out yet. The point is that there are many things ES6 could improve over Skyrim if they tried.
It’s too late for me to care. I grew up with TES. I played daggerfall when I was 15 on my pentium. Then every few years a new amazing game came out. Then after sky rim it stopped. I’m in my 40s now and don’t have the time. This game should have come out in 2016 at the latest.
I mean… Skyrim is ok, I wouldn’t say it’s amazing…one of the weakest installments of TES. And then they beat every last cent out of it.
This game should have come out in 2016 at the latest.
Absolutely. I’m surprised they didn’t try to release a version for calculators…
I was hoping after the graphical upgrade with Morrowind that they’d bring back interesting mechanics from Daggerfall, but they went the complete opposite direction for the money.
Really? Just make the exact same game as Skyrim with better graphics and a new plot, while making it less likely to have bugs and glitches and maybe fix the largest complaints about Skyrim.
commence marketing team weeping for weeks on end
Just make the exact same game… with better graphics and a new plot
It works for Capcom and Nintendo just fine. Nintendo even skips making a new plot.
Modern Bethesda and making good games, what a joke.
I mean, even if TES:6 is good it wont meet expectations because expectations are so wildly high.
My expectations are just be as good as skyrim. I still go and explore skyrim and find new fun things i had never seen before. It’s the best i can ask for.
Maybe it’ll be as good. I would strongly recommend waiting for reviews in 2032 when it finally launches.
Skyrim launched 11.11.11
Expect ES6 on
2.2.22oh wait, missed that one, 3.3.33
They’re definitely not going to go back to any of the better earlier games before Skyrim.
Idk i never played the other games. I’ve heard many times that they are better. I play skyrim in VR only. I might look for mods to play the earlier games in VR as well.
I’d love to play VR. Someday
You can probably get a used Quest 2 for a good price. It’s definitely capable enough to get a feel for VR, and whether or not you should invest more in a better setup.
Yeah I know. Unfortunately new toys like new hardware isn’t in my current future. Someday though.
Really after the mess that was their space game?
Don’t forget fall out 76
I already did. And will again. Mostly because it’s not worth remembering. Not because I’ll ever trust Bethesda
There is no modern Bethesda. They are still making games based on 15 year old standards, with an engine a lot older and technically more debted than that.
It’s kinda like trying to make Edward Scissorhands a brain surgeon by adding a few more rubberbands between the blades.
I think at this point I am more excited for, and have higher expectations of, Skywind.
