“We are all culpable,” Matt Nelson said before lighting himself on fire. This is the third such incident in a year.

  • MadhuGururajan@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    It’s pretty clear you’re detached from reality. Israeli Ministers themselves said so. I am sure you think I am making an antisemitic statement. It doesn’t matter if thats a belief you genuinely hold or just parroting Israel propaganda.

    But 50k+ Civilians have been killed in response to 2k dead. Evidence is there. You simply refuse to accept it because you think Israel is the good guys here and everybody else is Hamas.

    lack of decency and respect for human lives doesn’t need a court judgement to be obvious.

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      But 50k+ Civilians have been killed in response to 2k dead.

      No, that’s made up. There’s no known figure for civilian deaths in Gaza.

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        What the fuck are you smoking, my man? Propaganda straight from netanyahu’s asshole?

        https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/icj-opinion-declaring-israels-occupation-of-palestinian-territories-unlawful-is-historic-vindication-of-palestinians-rights/#:~:text=“The International Court of Justice,on racial segregation and apartheid.

        “The International Court of Justice has issued its opinion and the conclusion is loud and clear: Israel’s occupation and annexation of the Palestinian territories are unlawful, and its discriminatory laws and policies against Palestinians violate the prohibition on racial segregation and apartheid.

        https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/01/israel-must-comply-with-key-icj-ruling-ordering-it-do-all-in-its-power-to-prevent-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

        More than 26,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have been killed in Israel’s unrelenting bombardment of Gaza with some 10,000 believed to be still missing under the rubble. At least 1.8 million Palestinians have been internally displaced and are deprived of access to adequate food, water, shelter, sanitation, and medical assistance

        https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-international-court-justices-ruling-israel-and-gaza#:~:text=Specifically%2C Israel must conduct the,does not commit [genocide]%3B”

        https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/gaza-icj-ruling-offers-hope-protection-civilians-enduring-apocalyptic

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          Which of these is the source for your claim of 52,000 civilian deaths in Gaza? Because a quick review shows none of them say that.

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            https://abcnews.go.com/International/number-children-missing-separated-families-gaza-high-21000/story?id=111365036

            You keep stomping your foot and denying reality. Must be sharing the feelings of average Germans at the end of the war when they had to face up to what they had allowed to go on.

            Israel will face consequences for these crimes on humanity.

            https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

            Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant

            On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

            Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute; Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i); Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity; Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h); Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k). My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas (together with other Palestinian Armed Groups) running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were committed as part of a widespread and systematic attack against the Palestinian civilian population pursuant to State policy. These crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

            My Office submits that the evidence we have collected, including interviews with survivors and eyewitnesses, authenticated video, photo and audio material, satellite imagery and statements from the alleged perpetrator group, shows that Israel has intentionally and systematically deprived the civilian population in all parts of Gaza of objects indispensable to human survival.

            This occurred through the imposition of a total siege over Gaza that involved completely closing the three border crossing points, Rafah, Kerem Shalom and Erez, from 8 October 2023 for extended periods and then by arbitrarily restricting the transfer of essential supplies – including food and medicine – through the border crossings after they were reopened. The siege also included cutting off cross-border water pipelines from Israel to Gaza – Gazans’ principal source of clean water – for a prolonged period beginning 9 October 2023, and cutting off and hindering electricity supplies from at least 8 October 2023 until today. This took place alongside other attacks on civilians, including those queuing for food; obstruction of aid delivery by humanitarian agencies; and attacks on and killing of aid workers, which forced many agencies to cease or limit their operations in Gaza.

            My Office submits that these acts were committed as part of a common plan to use starvation as a method of war and other acts of violence against the Gazan civilian population as a means to (i) eliminate Hamas; (ii) secure the return of the hostages which Hamas has abducted, and (iii) collectively punish the civilian population of Gaza, whom they perceived as a threat to Israel.

            The effects of the use of starvation as a method of warfare, together with other attacks and collective punishment against the civilian population of Gaza are acute, visible and widely known, and have been confirmed by multiple witnesses interviewed by my Office, including local and international medical doctors. They include malnutrition, dehydration, profound suffering and an increasing number of deaths among the Palestinian population, including babies, other children, and women.

            Famine is present in some areas of Gaza and is imminent in other areas. As UN Secretary-General António Guterres warned more than two months ago, “1.1 million people in Gaza are facing catastrophic hunger – the highest number of people ever recorded – anywhere, anytime” as a result of an “entirely manmade disaster”. Today, my Office seeks to charge two of those most responsible, NETANYAHU and GALLANT, both as co-perpetrators and as superiors pursuant to Articles 25 and 28 of the Rome Statute.

            Israel, like all States, has a right to take action to defend its population. That right, however, does not absolve Israel or any State of its obligation to comply with international humanitarian law. Notwithstanding any military goals they may have, the means Israel chose to achieve them in Gaza – namely, intentionally causing death, starvation, great suffering, and serious injury to body or health of the civilian population – are criminal.

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              Must be sharing the feelings of average Germans at the end of the war when they had to face up to what they had allowed to go on.

              The ones who hadn’t died in the war, you mean. Or do you also think “German” is a word that can’t mean “soldier”?

              Famine is present in some areas of Gaza and is imminent in other areas. As UN Secretary-General António Guterres warned more than two months ago, “1.1 million people in Gaza are facing catastrophic hunger

              What does this statement mean? It certainly can’t mean 1.1 million people have been unable to acquire food and eat it, because they have and have continued to.

              This occurred through the imposition of a total siege over Gaza that involved completely closing the three border crossing points, Rafah, Kerem Shalom and Erez, from 8 October 2023 for extended periods

              It is not a crime of war to besiege an enemy city, nor to deny an enemy people access to a nation they wish to attack.

              What’s the source for your claim that 52,000 civilians died in Gaza?

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                  Why wouldn’t they be at war with Gaza when they were attacked by Gazans?

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                    Sort of like how a terrorist group killed a bunch of americans in new York, and then americans went to war with those terrorists, for the most part working with the local government and civilians.

                    Do you see how you can be at ear with a group rather than a nation?

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                Do you know what the word “average” means?

                Apparently not.

                The point is that disgusting pos like you who had been able to pretend that the slaughter they were complicit in wasn’t as bad.

                Just like you’re pretending you have the right to slaughter Palestinians.

                https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

                Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant

                On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for  the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

                Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;

                Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i);

                Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i);

                Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);

                Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;

                Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);

                Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

                #My Office submits that the evidence we have collected, including interviews with survivors and eyewitnesses, authenticated video, photo and audio material, satellite imagery and statements from the alleged perpetrator group, shows that Israel has intentionally and systematically deprived the civilian population in all parts of Gaza of objects indispensable to human survival.

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        The israeli Arny made up their own numbers to make themselves look bad? Thats not a very intelligent statement. And its not a functioning defense in any argument lol

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          What numbers?

          Again there’s no source for civilian casualties in Gaza. Any numbers you hear are estimates based on formulas; they’re not tallies of bodies.

          The IDF’s estimates don’t make them look “bad.” It makes them look like the most moral, most professional army on Earth.

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          Jesus Christ, are you all truly this stupid all the time?

          Some israelian official told the death tool was 1200 in November 2023.

          Obviously there are figures for Israeli casualties, civilian and military. There are no figures for Gazan civilian casualties.

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            There are no figures for Gazan civilian casualties.

            People like you are why the world is so shit.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war

            As of 8 September 2024, over 42,000 people (40,972 Palestinian[1] and 1,478 Israeli[13]) have been reported as killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 116 journalists according to the Committee to Protect Journalists (111 Palestinian, 2 Israeli and 3 Lebanese)[14], 134 journalists and media workers according to the International Federation of Journalists (127 Palestinian, 4 Israeli and 3 Lebanese)[15] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, including 179 employees of UNRWA.[16]

            Or is this the part where you’re gonna push Zionist propaganda about how there’s no way to know how many of those TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD were “actually civilians”, despite most of them being children?

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              But most of them arent children.

              I accept the 42,000 casualty figure, but there’s no source for how many are civilians. Certainly some are! But the mistake you’re making is that you’re reading “42,000 Palestinians” and some brainworm is causing you to interpret that to mean “42,000 civilians.” But that’s not what that means - Hamas fighters and unassociated militants are Palestinians, too.

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                and some brainworm is causing you to interpret that to mean “42,000 civilians.”

                I laughed out loud. You’re extremely brainwashed, my man.

                You’re doing what’s known as “guilty-before-proven-innocent”.

                Disgusting.

                https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/15/israel-kills-more-than-40000-palestinians-in-gaza-16456-of-them-children

                Israel’s relentless war on Gaza has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians, at least 16,456 of them children and over 11,000 women.

                Slaughtering women, children and murdering aid workers, and yet you have the audacity to claim “they were probably all part of the Palestinian armed forces” oh wait such a force doesn’t exist? Hamas, you mean, which isn’t the same as Palestine?

                Doesn’t matter what cognitive highjinks you get up to, you’re defending people slaughtering women and children you disgusting pos.

                Israel bombs schools and hospitals and cries “yeah they were actually hamas”.

                And you don’t see through that? You’re Israeli, aren’t you? Jewish, at least.

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                  You’re doing what’s known as “guilty-before-proven-innocent”.

                  Wars don’t only kill the guilty.

                  Again, what’s your source for 52,000 civilian casualties in Gaza?

                  Israel’s relentless war on Gaza has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians, at least 16,456 of them children

                  Is 16,500 “most” of 42,000? Does that math math?

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                    You’re an illiterate brainwashed nationalist. I never said 52000 civilians.

                    Youre defending the slaughter of women and children you disgusting pos.

                    The burden of proof is on the entity doing the killing, dipshit.

                    I wish people like you had to actually show their face when defending this utter drivel. You wouldn’t have the balls to, and thus would keep your moronic mouth shut.

                    https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

                    Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant

                    On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

                    Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute; Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i); Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity; Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h); Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

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            Your insulting people but didn’t read the article, It seem you part of this kind of people… The death tool was for Gazan casualties from Israeli official.

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              The Hamas-led attacks in southern Israel on October 7 killed at least 1,200 Israelis and foreign nationals

              Literally from your article. Did you read it?