Well, the issue will be developers of other apps would force us to re-google since any build of the app would be useless unless installed from the play store…
Are they? Other comments in different PRs seem to indicate they have no intention of trying to subvert play integrity. Is there something more recent than this that indicates they’re trying?
For every single app where the developer tries this?
Yeah right. That’s unsustainable.
They’ll also just increase ways for the integrity to verify it hasn’t been patched. This announcement already says they’re checking the app’s binary for tampering.
Explain. I’m tired of hearing this boogeyman, tell me exactly how Lineage is “not secure” but Graphene is?
Then maybe give me some examples of cases where that difference has actually been a problem.
Because it feels like a lot of these “unsecure” things people hand-wring over are really just user freedoms they may use to hurt themselves, not actual vulnerabilities that can’t be avoided with common sense.
I mean, you can be as snotty about this as you like, but it doesn’t change the fact this “choice” is basically between participate in the same digital world as most people do with the most popular, most supported, and highest value apps, vs only what you can use in F Droid or something?
You’re calling them slaves but can you give them anything more appealing outside the walled garden than “privacy”? It’s not like everything on the play store has an F-Droid corollary. You’re basically telling them to dramatically reduce their own use case. Does that make them a slave?
If a phone can’t be flashed to a different OS, then it can be degoogled with adb via pc, or Shizuku + Canta directly on the phone. There are other apps besides Canta that also work, but Canta is the easiest for non-techies to use.
Never buy an Apple product if you value sovereignty. Androids can be tweaked to cut out big brother.
Google is overreaching, yet again. That’s the gist of it. They want to be a monopoly. Better to get out now, than to wait until they’re so engrained in our lives that they become a shadow government. Our best short-term fix is to break up the company like we did to AT&T. Our best long-term fix is to erraticate money and corporate influence from politics entirely.
There are more options, you just have to look. GrapheneOS, LineageOS, CalyxOS, DivestOS, /e/OS… Android is not synonymous with Google. Android is open source. All the OSs I’ve listed are based off of Android, and are open source. Google has their own version of Android, which is closed source. But it’s just another OS based off of AOSP.
No better time than now to degoogle your life.
Well, the issue will be developers of other apps would force us to re-google since any build of the app would be useless unless installed from the play store…
MicroG devs are working on fakeing play integrity api since 2023: https://github.com/microg/GmsCore/issues/2050
Are they? Other comments in different PRs seem to indicate they have no intention of trying to subvert play integrity. Is there something more recent than this that indicates they’re trying?
Yeah, maybe “working on” was too generous, “aware of the issue and some preliminary work was already done” would have been more correct
Here is some recent discussion if it’s feasible at all: https://github.com/microg/GmsCore/pull/2077
ReVanced patching will become more common
For every single app where the developer tries this?
Yeah right. That’s unsustainable.
They’ll also just increase ways for the integrity to verify it hasn’t been patched. This announcement already says they’re checking the app’s binary for tampering.
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Lifehackers findsa way”And…move to iOS? The even more locked down platform? What solution are you proposing here?
You can degoogle on Android you know. Takes some effort, but the end result is better than moving into a walled garden.
only if your device is supported. Most aren’t…
Lineage OS supports a few hundred devices
LineageOS with microg works for most devices
Issue is that it is no secure. People should be buying pixels flashing calyx or graphene going forwaed in ther next upgrade IMHO
Explain. I’m tired of hearing this boogeyman, tell me exactly how Lineage is “not secure” but Graphene is?
Then maybe give me some examples of cases where that difference has actually been a problem.
Because it feels like a lot of these “unsecure” things people hand-wring over are really just user freedoms they may use to hurt themselves, not actual vulnerabilities that can’t be avoided with common sense.
Primarily because bootloader is not lockable, plus delayed updates.
Also, they do some weird thing with how it is developed. I think it is always in some weird “developer” state but I don’t remember details.
Not if the app doesn’t work outside of Google’s app store, you can’t…?
Apps that don’t work are usually the worst privacy offenders lol
People will need to make a choice, corpos won’t make it easier for the slave
I mean, you can be as snotty about this as you like, but it doesn’t change the fact this “choice” is basically between participate in the same digital world as most people do with the most popular, most supported, and highest value apps, vs only what you can use in F Droid or something?
You’re calling them slaves but can you give them anything more appealing outside the walled garden than “privacy”? It’s not like everything on the play store has an F-Droid corollary. You’re basically telling them to dramatically reduce their own use case. Does that make them a slave?
Those are really quite rare. Most have workarounds these days or just work outright.
If a phone can’t be flashed to a different OS, then it can be degoogled with adb via pc, or Shizuku + Canta directly on the phone. There are other apps besides Canta that also work, but Canta is the easiest for non-techies to use.
Never buy an Apple product if you value sovereignty. Androids can be tweaked to cut out big brother.
I agree but I don’t understand what this has to do with the OP.
Google is overreaching, yet again. That’s the gist of it. They want to be a monopoly. Better to get out now, than to wait until they’re so engrained in our lives that they become a shadow government. Our best short-term fix is to break up the company like we did to AT&T. Our best long-term fix is to erraticate money and corporate influence from politics entirely.
And again I ask, and go where? Your choices for mobile OSs are:
Choose Google and there’s no way around this issue. Choose Apple and you’ve locked yourself into an even more closed ecosystem.
Far too late for that, I’m afraid…
There are more options, you just have to look. GrapheneOS, LineageOS, CalyxOS, DivestOS, /e/OS… Android is not synonymous with Google. Android is open source. All the OSs I’ve listed are based off of Android, and are open source. Google has their own version of Android, which is closed source. But it’s just another OS based off of AOSP.
These are all various forks of #1, and thus subject to the same issue.
You asked how to degoogle
Context, my friend.
Is there an echo in here?
You asked “what solution are you proposing?”
Now I am confused.
Something AOSP like Lineage OS
You can install MicroG if you need play compatibility
That will not solve the problem in OP…
No play store no problems
Except there is a problem because you can no longer download apps from outside the Play Store. That’s what it says in the OP.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills…