• Farid@startrek.website
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    2 months ago

    This meme is confusing to me.

    If the list of arguments is about productivity increases, then employers wouldn’t run away from it, they don’t care how they get more job done as long as it’s done.

    If the list of arguments is about how employees would personally benefit from it, the employers still wouldn’t run from it because those arguments aren’t arguments to them and they don’t care.

    • callouscomic@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      2 months ago

      I disagree. Leaders in both private and public sector make idiotic less productive decisions all the time. We’re especially seeing that from the return to office crap.

    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      Productivity isn’t important to them, control is. It is, always, about control over people’s lives. Money isn’t what matters, it’s just how they keep score.

      • NutWrench
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        2 months ago

        This. There are employers out there who want you at their beck and call at ALL hours. Not because it “improves efficiency / productivity” but because they just want to fark with your personal life to the point where you don’t have one anymore. To make you miserable. Being able to control you all the time is what gets them off.

        • Allonzee@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          It’s flexing power.

          Their central pursuit of capital is just the pursuit of power to wield over others.

          At scale, beyond meeting personal material needs/wants, that’s what capital becomes, power over others.

          You can fuck off and indulge all your hobbies in a mansion on the beach for the rest of your life long before you hit a billion dollars, but at those levels you want to influence elections/culture and control ever more people and resources. I consider it mental illness, I wish the rest of our society did as well.

    • Allonzee@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      they don’t care how they get more job done as long as it’s done.

      That is a ridiculous assertion.

      Employers in the US absolutely care about flexing power for the sake of flexing power. It’s why many are against WFH (for their employees, not themselves of course) despite it being shown not to decrease productivity,

      Do you believe employers desire for ever MOAR somehow doesn’t extend to having more perks and time than their underlings? Employees having more days off DEVALUES the employer fucking off for drinks and golf, oh I’m sorry “networking,” at noon every day by comparison.

      Of course there are exceptions, but the larger the employer, the fewer there are, as growth/metastasis is a reflection of the insatiability of the employer’s greed. The ones with any temperance eventually stop, the ones that are incapable of being satiated don’t.

    • Ibaudia@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      2 months ago

      The type of person making these decisions is typically psychopathic and stubborn. 4 day work weeks may be objectively better for everyone but if it’s not a common-sense productivity increaser, expect no change, at least in the US where corporate interests are extremely protected.

        • Ibaudia@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 months ago

          Yes, because people in high positions of power self-select for negative personality traits that would make them more likely to distrust obvious facts if it means improving the lives of those they control.

        • MetaCubed@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Don’t believe or don’t care. Workers are less likely to collectivize if they spend 80% of their time under the supervision of someone who’s paid to stop any discussion of that kind.