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Nah, it’s just filled with PR speak to make it look like there’s ethics when asked
Reforms to restrain the rent-seeking class were always an alternative to the preferred method of killing them and redistributing their wealth.
relevant quote
The revolutionary struggle is the very antithesis of the parliamentary struggle. In Germany, for four decades we had nothing but parliamentary “victories.” We practically walked from victory to victory. And when faced with the great historical test of August 4, 1914, the result was the devastating political and moral defeat, an outrageous debacle and rot without parallel. To date, revolutions have given us nothing but defeats. Yet these unavoidable defeats pile up guarantee upon guarantee of the future final victory.
She’s right, but given our situation this misses the point. The ruling class wants you to think reforms are a “replacement” to revolution, but we don’t need to accept that premise. Reforms weaken the ruling class, otherwise they would already be enacted. So I ask, por que dos?
No los
I too am suspicious of the number two. Two faced mf
What if reform the classist society? Checkmate Luxemburg.
Abolish US crony capitalism.
You can just say capitalism
Except it isn’t companies are colluding on pricing which drives up prices for the consumer. And Chinese import tariffs are artificially inflating the price of vehicles.
I was taught that capitalism is about fair competition for consumers, and that really hasn’t been the case.
Capitalism will never be fair because it requires infinite growth in a finite world at all costs.
Infinite growth AND a perfect competition environment. Neither things is achievable, let alone sustainable.
Yep. It’s absolutely not sustainable in any form. That’s what people don’t realize. It’s why we’re seeing enshittification of everything now. Companies are hitting a ceiling where innovation stalls but they’re still required to grow regardless. So they resort to essentially slowly burning down their own house and shitting where they eat. Marx and others predicted this ages ago and now we’re seeing it play out in real time.
The problem with capitalism is that we have one giant bucket for companies to pull from and none of those companies give a flying fuck about the bucket itself. So they keep taking from it collectively. Eventually the bucket will be empty and none of them will be held responsible. This is exactly why we had the Great Depression and the 2008 housing market crash. The capitalists redlined every engine until they were non-functioning. Now the working class is forced to clean up the mess, while facing the repercussions of it all.
It’s not even a hard thing to comprehend. This is how parasites work. They drain the host until it’s either dead or useless to them, then they move to a new host. The problem is that earth is the host and unless capitalists figure out how to start space mining, we’re all fucked. Because, again, they continue to take resources while taking no responsibility.
This is Capitalism still.
Capitalism itself doesn’t care what consumers want, you’re referring to Liberalism the ideology.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any example of capitalism ever being anything different, in terms of collusion and gouging.
The idea that it could ever be even remotely fair, let alone competitive, is more utopian than anything you’ll see in post-structural socialism.
The thing is, while inflation is actually going down, prices are not, simply because corporations decided to keep them high. We have had the data to prove this for a while, and we are now getting corporations admitting to it. So if none of them have decided to work against this, to compete, as it would be a shoe-in to take some of the other corps’ customers, then what is it other than a wide scale, mutual decision, to not drop prices, or even stop raising them. The there are also things like the service landlords are using to determine how much they should set their rent rates too, that is literally a collusion app.
So do you have a plan to abolish capitalism?
Just one more meme will do it
They don’t have to. It will implode on itself eventually when it eats up the final resources available to it.
Can we figure out a method that won’t take 95% of the population of the Earth along with it?
The idea that someone can have a plan is pretty silly (Pinky and the Brain silly).
The real question is do you have a plan to organize and survive when capitalism fails.
Revolution. Build up dual power and destabilize the existing system from the outside, rather than grinding yourself to dust trying to work it out from within the system.
Abolishing capitalism will never happen in our lifetime, so you have to think smaller but more effective. What needs to happen is moving to a cooperative based capitalism, where a company or corporation is owned by all of the workers, with protection of independent unions. This will very quickly reduce the divide between the rich and the poor, as well as closing the gap between productivity and wages that has worsened since the 70’s.
Do I expect this to happen? Fuck no. But it has a much higher chance than the abolition of capitalism, and has more support amongst people I’ve spoken to over the years when I’ve suggested it as a path forward.
Abolishing capitalism will never happen in our lifetime
Why? By all metrics, it is increasingly strained and on the verge of collapse, only accelerated in recent years.
Do I expect this to happen? Fuck no. But it has a much higher chance than the abolition of capitalism
Again, why?
Having spoken to so many people about this subject over my many years on this planet, the number of people that would actually want a revolution is so low that it’s effectively zero. They don’t want that kind of change. Having seen how resistant people are to give up their cars for the sake of their children’s future, do you really think people would give up their many comforts to remove capitalism from the world? Fuck no would they.
But simple, small, understandable changes to the current system are much more agreeable. When I’ve suggested a cooperative approach, even the most resistant to change agrees that it would improve the situation for themselves, and that’s a change that can be worked with, without others perceiving that change as coming from an absolute loon.
As others have said in this very thread, the western world is so resistant to revolution that the very idea of it will always be fringe. But cooperatives have been demonstrated to work, they just need to be applied to a much larger degree. It’s understandable to the majority, it doesn’t rock the boat too much, it’s a feasible approach and it removes power from the top and returns it to the workers.
Having spoken to so many people about this subject over my many years on this planet, the number of people that would actually want a revolution is so low that it’s effectively zero. They don’t want that kind of change. Having seen how resistant people are to give up their cars for the sake of their children’s future, do you really think people would give up their many comforts to remove capitalism from the world? Fuck no would they.
Capitalism’s necessary mechanical contradictions that will lead to its collapse do not need the magical will or consent of the public to happen. Collapse will happen regardless.
But simple, small, understandable changes to the current system are much more agreeable. When I’ve suggested a cooperative approach, even the most resistant to change agrees that it would improve the situation for themselves, and that’s a change that can be worked with, without others perceiving that change as coming from an absolute loon.
You can’t get change just by getting people to agree with you, otherwise America would have Ranked Choice Voting, Medicare for All, free public College education, and legalized weed and abortion nationwide. You’re repeating the failures of Utopian Socialists like the Owenites, you can’t vibe policy into being, especially in a system hostile to said policy.
As others have said in this very thread, the western world is so resistant to revolution that the very idea of it will always be fringe. But cooperatives have been demonstrated to work, they just need to be applied to a much larger degree. It’s understandable to the majority, it doesn’t rock the boat too much, it’s a feasible approach and it removes power from the top and returns it to the workers.
How and why? You’re trying to magically summon these structures. How do you expect the ones at the top to allow this?
MLs have been predicting the “inevitable” collapse of capitalism for a century now. When can we expect some progress? :p
You can’t get change just by getting people to agree with you, otherwise America would have Ranked Choice Voting, Medicare for All, free public College education, and legalized weed and abortion nationwide.
I think this is great point. In spite of majority public support for issues like these, it’s seemingly impossible to get either party to take action. That’s not how healthy democracies are supposed to work. I’d probably agree that public support is a pre-requisite for change, but it’s not always sufficient. If the public want something and the government don’t agree (say, over suspending arms shipments to Israel), what can the public actually do about it? Really nothing, other than disruptive protests or taking direct action to physically stop the shipments. And then it’s obvious what would happen to the protestors.
MLs have been predicting the “inevitable” collapse of capitalism for a century now. When can we expect some progress? :p
I mean, regardless of what anyone individually or collectively wills, disparity is rising, wages are stagnating with respect to productivity, and enshittification is continuing. The logic and math behind Capitalism’s unsustainability hasn’t changed. Monopoly and Financial Capital are growing ever-more grotesque and are crushed under their own weight in search of endless growth. The fact that the US hasn’t collapsed yet doesn’t mean it hasn’t been working towards that collapse.
I think this is great point. In spite of majority public support for issues like these, it’s seemingly impossible to get either party to take action. That’s not how healthy democracies are supposed to work. I’d probably agree that public support is a pre-requisite for change, but it’s not always sufficient. If the public want something and the government don’t agree (say, over suspending arms shipments to Israel), what can the public actually do about it? Really nothing, other than disruptive protests or taking direct action to physically stop the shipments. And then it’s obvious what would happen to the protestors.
That’s why the Owenites and Utopian Socialists all failed. They thought they could just convince everyone of a better path, and that it would magically appear and form around them.
im not looking to abolish capitalism just limit it to things that don’t really matter. like how nice a tv folks have.
