If progressing and improving systems isn’t enough for you because it isn’t immediately paradise for everyone and Utopia for all
That wasn’t my point. The point is, you can’t point to the soviet gulags and say it wasn’t authoritarian, not without evidence.
Where are you getting the idea that large percentages of people were locked up without trial? Don’t you have to provide evidence for your claims as well?
You’ve made the implicit claim that those held in the gulags were held there with good, justified reasons. And then when you were asked to provide a source for it you gave me articles about the various places nazis went to after the war. Do you have evidence or not?
“Authoritarianism” as admitted by yourself is a buzzword descriptor for every state
No, it’s a scale. Most societies/countries are on it, but not all. Additionally, it is not an inherent part of a society/country. No part of that is vibes based. Subjective, partially, but that’s the nature of unquantifiable definitions whether you like it or not.
A state that controls people’s speech is more authoritarian than one that does not. A state that controls people’s movement is more authoritarian than one that does not. There are a million different ways that a state can be unquantifiably authoritarian, but it is still comparable, discussions on it can still be based on facts, and so on. No vibes are needed.
You don’t care how countries compare to their peers or their previous conditions
You can stop with the personal attacks.
What makes you think I don’t do that as well?
You seemed to have missed the "It’s probably a far better use of everybody’s time " part.
You don’t need to personally attack me.
That wasn’t my point. The point is, you can’t point to the soviet gulags and say it wasn’t authoritarian, not without evidence.
You’ve made the implicit claim that those held in the gulags were held there with good, justified reasons. And then when you were asked to provide a source for it you gave me articles about the various places nazis went to after the war. Do you have evidence or not?
No, it’s a scale. Most societies/countries are on it, but not all. Additionally, it is not an inherent part of a society/country. No part of that is vibes based. Subjective, partially, but that’s the nature of unquantifiable definitions whether you like it or not.
A state that controls people’s speech is more authoritarian than one that does not. A state that controls people’s movement is more authoritarian than one that does not. There are a million different ways that a state can be unquantifiably authoritarian, but it is still comparable, discussions on it can still be based on facts, and so on. No vibes are needed.
You can stop with the personal attacks.
You seemed to have missed the "It’s probably a far better use of everybody’s time " part.