Hey all! Mod team of r/unixporn here. After a couple weeks of work on our end, we finally have a Lemmy community at LemmyWorld that we’re committing to moderating in the long run. Additionally, due to Lemmy’s federation, you should be able to crosspost between here and there even if you don’t have an account on LemmyWorld. Hope to see you there!

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    11 months ago

    What is the point to swap instances? We already have solid community in this instance. Why not just move your moderators in this instance?

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      11 months ago

      Considering this user made an account on lemmy.ml to post this, and the community in world was made by the same user with a world account, maybe they don’t understand the federation aspect correctly. It seems to happen a lot, and it’s frustrating because it leads to one huge instance in lemmy.world.

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      11 months ago

      We have observed this instance over the last weeks, and came to the conclusion that it’s not a good fit for our community, as it’s often down and we don’t always agree with the administration on this instance.

  • 「fleece!」@pawb.social
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    11 months ago

    Please just use this already-present community unless you have a good reason to fragment the group

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      11 months ago

      There’s no good reason. There never is, other than the reddit mods wanting control and not wanting to share with those who already built community on Lemmy.

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        11 months ago

        Acting like there’s only one true community and anyone else would have malicious intent. Jesus Christ man.

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          11 months ago

          That’s… not really what I said?

          I think having multiple communities about the same subject on different instances can be interesting and potentially good!

          I just think in this case there wasn’t really a need to make a new community, when the main difference is a mod team from a different website. The tone of the post struck me as telling the community what to do. I was a little assumptive, I suppose.

          I used to mod a subreddit/discord that has already had a couple lemmy communities pop up, so this is something I’ve been talking about with friends for a bit. I’m personally hoping to see moderators of reddit communities making space for new people to run things.

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            11 months ago

            We’re happy to see any community around ricing, desktop customization, linux and art pop up, no matter where or how! However, “unixporn” is not the name of a category of community, it’s the name and “brand” (if you wanna call it that) of one specific community, managed by a specific set of people. Practically, I assume we couldn’t really prevent you from starting your own thing and also calling it “unixporn”, as we haven’t actually registered any trademark (and I don’t think we’d wanna do that, either). However, things such as the logo do have copyrights attached to them, and the current team has explicit permission to use that branding which unrelated communities wouldn’t.

            We’re not “telling the community what to do”, we’re telling the people where we plan to continue the community in an official manner.

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              11 months ago

              I’d honestly have preferred to see a discussion with the community about which instance to make official rather than a unilateral decision by Reddit mods.

              This is frankly my beef with all of this:

              • “we haven’t actually registered any trademark (and I don’t think we’d wanna do that, either)”
              • “things such as the logo do have copyrights attached to them, and the current team has explicit permission to use that branding which unrelated communities wouldn’t”

              You guys think you own the “brand” and not the community members. Good on you for putting in the effort to cultivate it on Reddit over the years and putting in the thankless work to moderate it, however, without the community your “brand” means nothing.

              If we’re truly open source enthusiasts maybe it’s time to embrace some open source ideals around the community. Perhaps yearly mod elections which help rotate interested folk through the responsibilities. Some sign that you all are embracing the spirit of the community and not trying to own it.

              Of course, if you care more about ownership, I’m happy to subscribe to both (all, if more pop up?) communities of the name “unixporn”, although as a slight protest I will not to post to your “official” community since it will appear to not support the actual essence of what we are doing here.

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                11 months ago

                I appreciate your feedback, genuinely. Please don’t read the following as me saying you’re “wrong” – I think this is a matter of perspective.

                I fully agree: without the community, “unixporn” means nothing. But there is a community. There are people that appreciate the rules and moderation-style we have been providing over the last few years. We’re definitely not perfect, far from it. But we do try to do our best to use our experiences, connections and understanding of the broader ricing community to create a place where creativity can flourish, interesting projects can happen, and people can have meaningful exchanges.

                A “brand” in this context, for me, links to the atmosphere and main goals of the community, it is related to the style of moderation that is happening in there. Our “brand” is representative of the trust the current community has in our moderation decisions. We, as a team, “own” that trust by the community, and thus have an obligation to do what we think is right for the community.

                No project, not even an open-source one, works without maintainers. You have to have some entity overlooking changes, steering the project. Some entity with a vision. When people sufficiently disagree with the vision or style of management by that maintainer-team, that’s when a fork happens. If you dislike the way the community works right now, dislike the way moderation is done, then that’s when a new community should start. Clearly, some people do appreciate the current unixporn, so if a new community came up with a sufficiently different style, we’d potentially not even have much overlap in userbase. I’m all for a wider range of people getting into the hobby.

                Open-source is not anarchy, it’s open collaboration.

                We could have most likely handled opening a lemmy community a bit better, I agree. However, I find petty protests to be a questionable response to that, and would rather you continue providing your actual opinions in a format like you just did, helping us do what the community wants and helping to keep us as a community together.

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                  11 months ago

                  That’s fair, and well said. If you want to continue to shepherd the community with trust though, start taking actions that continue to build that trust. Don’t repeat the history we literally just walked away from.

                  Please include the community in discussions, such as changing the lemmy instance, and laying out your reasoning. Give us a chance to add our two cents. For the love of all that you hold dear don’t do it in a gated community like Discord, make it public and accessible.

                  I find petty protests to be a questionable response to that

                  Not sure how to take this one. At the end of the day moving to lemmy was a petty protest in itself. A lot of people signified they were happy to stay with Reddit - “majority wins” still fragments your community.

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              11 months ago

              Your last sentence is just saying the exact same thing with different words.

              For the record, you wouldn’t be able to trademark “unixporn” because “Unix” is a trademark of The Open Group. And a wholly unoriginal name.

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                11 months ago

                Not quite: The people are free to not follow us, if they have some reason to not trust the team anymore. It’s just that where ever they go instead wouldn’t have the same team behind it.

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        11 months ago

        I think you are misunderstanding; we already moderate this community (check the sidebar).

        We decided to move instances, as we don’t fully agree with the administration here, and the instance often seems to be down.

        We are currently re-evaluating this decision, although the general public seems to be fine with it.

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          11 months ago

          It’s really not a misunderstanding if you fail to communicate that at all! Every bit of what you said made it sound like you all swooped in from reddit (given none of the mods I’ve seen have any interactoin with any other lemmy communities) to take over people who were already posting content.

          Maybe that’s not what’s happening, which is great! People are obviously confused, so you’re not doing a good job of explaining yourselves or what’s happening in any event.

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          11 months ago

          general public seems to be fine with it

          Are you serious? Man are you reading the comments?

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    11 months ago

    On reddit when I reminded to other users that this community existed and they could move here you insisted to clarify that you’re not moving on Lemmy and reminding that the only official communities are on reddit and on discord. Now you change your mind and we should start cross posting, for what? So we can have that mod team who tried to discredit this place, instead of this community which is perfectly fine? Hell no, you made your decision, now you deal with it.

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      11 months ago

      I briefly checked the Reddit thread.
      I’m not sure what your username there is, but I think you must be misunderstanding something; throughout all communication we were never opposed to a Lemmy community and kept hinting at “more platforms coming soon”

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        11 months ago

        kept hinting at “more platforms coming soon”

        The last time I checked, this wasn’t happening at all. Otherwise I wouldn’t have a reason to insist linking this community in the first place. Now I deleted my reddit account (my username was w0yak) so I have not checked and maybe the discussion has gone forward. In this case, I have no idea what has been said. But when I was on reddit and replying to users who were asking for another platform to move on, linking this community, the only hint I read from the mods was that they were aware that this community exists and that they wanted to remind to us that the only official one was that one on reddit and the one on Discord. I have never seen any other mentions of this community by the mods.

        That being said, regardless of what happened there, as many users are saying this community already exists and there’s nothing wrong at all with it, so I personally can’t see any reason to duplicate it.

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          11 months ago

          this subreddit and our discord server are our only official channels at the moment. […] More may be coming soon

          This (taken from the announcement) or similar phrasings were used everywhere. I apologize for any misunderstandings.

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    11 months ago

    Happy to see it! Have you guys reached out to the mods of this community yet? Some high profile communities that have migrated from reddit have merged with existing communities (See !android@lemdro.id)

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    11 months ago

    As a potential subscriber who has submitted several requests to subscribe AND seems not ever ‘receive’ approval… I’d say ‘things’ are not operating smoothly, yet.

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    11 months ago

    Go back to reddit and leave us alone. The community itself has decided that this was the official one (where most users are) so this is it.