Original comment chain

FlyingSquid is a Zionist who actively censors content critical of israel. In the past this was using false claims of anti-semitism but after acquiring mod powers he has started banning anti-israel posters.

After acuiquiring mod powers on /WorldNews FlyingSquid bans me by making up lies about defending the usage of child soldiers which never happened:

Recently he tried to defend himself by lying about it

After being called out for lying FlyingSquid pretends to act in good faith for a little as if he was just confused that day. Let’s see what happens when we play along:

When pointed out the he was lying the crybully instantly paints himself as the victim who is “about to be insulted”. FlyingSquid is clearly trying to bait an insult to use as an excuse for a reban:

Despite not being insulted, the crybully still claims he was. The Zionist victim complex is a sight to behold. He now demands to be acknowledged for his abuse of mod powers likely hoping to bait an insult:

After failing to ragebait insults the Zionist crybully “changes is his mind” and starts tacking on random extra conditions as an excuse to reban me. He now starts demanding acknowledgement for how amazing he is for falsely banning people.

At this point it is very obvious FlyingSquid has no intentions to unban me from WorldNews and is just trolling:

Subsequently he lies one more time in his ban description.

Edit: JordanLund has joined in and claimed that if you support any action of a group or individual, you fully support every action that group or invidividual has ever committed. Meaning that anyone who supports Joe Biden forgiving Student Loans actually supports the Genocide in Gaza and is a Zionist.

Edit2;

  • abcdefg@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    3 months ago

    Linkerbaan the way you handle this is unhealthy. I agree with your positions on Palestine but you have to learn when to give up on this for your own sanity.

    Moving forward FlyingSquid and Jordanlund are symptoms of a wider problem on lemmy, the concentration of users on one instance, that share many mods across communities. As someone who came from reddit I deleted my account altogether over a conversation with FlyingSquid where he alluded to me being a child soldier supporting Russian bot, whatever. Yeah I know supporting Ansar Allah is wildly unpopular, but they are righteous for putting themselves at risk for Palestinians, after putting up with their own genocide. These two users are generally online, at all times, and they have adopted this strange mindset that every disagreement is an attack.

    No I do not support child soldiers, its obviously disgusting, but you’re speaking from a computer screen when these countries have lost hundreds of thousands, their infrastructure razed, and their people starved. These people were at war with two imperialist, hyper-militarized powers, SA and the US for nearly a decade. Sorry that I support them even though they do some fucked up shit, I’m not in a place to judge in my first world bubble.

    The larger issue at hand is you have federated networks that don’t actually act very federated. You see it with matrix.org, mastodon.social, and Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world’s decisions, alongside their moderators decisions have massive impacts on the rest of the ‘fediverse’. If they add an MBFC bot you don’t agree with, you can go to another underpopulated news site. Its too much power in one instance. World news bans mondoweiss despite it being okay to source on wikipedia. There’s a lot of complaining that Lemmy.ml devs have too much power, yet they have given an instance they are ideologically at odds with the ability to sway all of lemmy at a whim.

    I don’t know. I’m rambling. I thought that Lemmy would be different from reddit. I don’t know why. Its really sad to see federation not open us up to discussion more, instead just following each other around, downvoting, and banning everything we disagree with. But alas I’ll delete this account too and continue browsing without one.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      11
      ·
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      Moving forward FlyingSquid and Jordanlund are symptoms of a wider problem on lemmy, the concentration of users on one instance, that share many mods across communities.

      A major cause of this is .World users proclaiming their superiority of “non-censorship” and their continuous barrage of insults against other instances.

      What helps is having the veil lifted a bit so users realize .World is not ‘the only sane instance’. Every instance has its biases and censorships. Though banning users on false pretenses is a new low for /WorldNews.

      you have to learn when to give up on this for your own sanity.

      Don’t worry, 9 months of debunking Zionists gets you a pretty strong mental. There is such a stark difference in the comment section since I started that even the most ardent Zionists have converted to concern trolling about Trump since defending israel is a lost cause.

      As someone who came from reddit I deleted my account altogether over a conversation with FlyingSquid where he alluded to me being a child soldier supporting Russian bot, whatever

      And I’m glad you have written that down here for others to observe.

      I don’t know. I’m rambling. I thought that Lemmy would be different from reddit

      It is, albeit ever so slightly. Reddit had full lockdown on censorship and Lemmy clearly doesn’t have that.

      When users start noticing the censorship they will migrate, not beforehand. This is the reason these posts calling out power abuse are important.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        Yeah I’m not a fan of the MBFC bot or censorship. An article about first-hand accounts by some survivors about the school bombing earlier this week was removed because it was Mondoweiss

        Although tbh, I think when you insult people, even Zionists, it puts you in a bad light. It’s better just to source and debunk.

        I’ve seen both FlyingSquid and Jordanlund advocate for an end to the genocide and Apartheid, I wouldn’t call them Zionists. I don’t think the ban was deserved, but neither of you were that civil in the DMs

        Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis have all done terrible things. They’re all right wing reactionary resistance armies that formed under violent oppressive foreign intervention such as colonialism, occupation, or blockades. That kind of violence doesn’t come out of nowhere, but both need to be solved

  • rustyfish@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    3 months ago

    Reading through this thread gave me the giggles. And a headache. What a wonderful reminder for never moderating anything anywhere ever.

    • jordanlund@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      Your comments defending the Houthis are still up in the thread that got you banned:

      https://lemmy.world/post/17703619

      Specifically, I think, this one:

      https://lemmy.world/comment/11259752

      @Linkerbaan

      9•26 days ago

      Houthis attacking all three imperial superpowers at once holy based.

      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based

      “A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.”

      As one of the other mods of World News, who has personal connections to people who have lived and been abused under Israeli occupation, even I looked at some of the things you posted and went “Yeah, that goes too far.”

      You’re obviously passionate on the issue, I get that, but arguing in favor of the Houthis just because they’re against Israel is not a good look.

      https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/13/yemen-houthis-recruit-more-child-soldiers-october-7

      That is what got you in trouble with Flying Squid, not because they’re a Zionist.

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        25
        ·
        3 months ago

        So you admit that according to your own logic you are a Zionist and you fully support the Genocide in Gaza?

        • JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          18
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          3 months ago

          Calling people you don’t like a Zionist is absolutely in horrible taste.

          You treat people badly, you get caught, and you get bans. Hell, let’s let the people decide.

          https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/modlog/view?target=3867209

          TL;DR - you believe you should be able to post what you want, where you want, and attack anybody who disagrees with you by labeling them “Zionist”. Read the rules (and the room) when posting/commenting, and you’ll have less push back.

          • jordanlund@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            3 months ago

            Now, in fairness, a lot of those community bans appear to have been in error and were reversed. Nobody should hold that against them.

            • JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              dubv is a weird one. You can ignore that one, as it does it to everybody. I think it’s someone’s self-hosted instance. Being banned there means nothing.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            14
            ·
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            The mods comment was defending israel by claiming the Houthi’s were not blockading the red sea to prevent the Genocide from israel, but because they are just violent bad people.

            This alone would not be a problem if Squid did not make up false accusations and banned me when his pro israel claims were challenged.

            Just like with the MBFC bot I always support my accusations with evidence. I do not randomly start calling people Zionists for no reason.

            • JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              15
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              3 months ago

              What an ironic comment since the Zionist mods of /news and /worldnews are the ones that banned me for debunking their literal israeli propaganda. Not sure what this has to do with the mods using the MBFC website which is ran by literal Zionists that label MondoWeiss as unreliable because they are “anti-zionist”. If Anything the mods on the .world news sub’s have proven they are massive Zionists with that move alone.

              Let’s start with that one. NONE of the moderators of !news@lemmy.world are Zionists. Throwing around baseless allegations can only lead to strife. I’m a staunch defender of Palestine, and hate what is happening to them.

              We use MBFC because we need SOMETHING in place, and there aren’t many alternatives. There’s no perfect solution, and there are many topics, ASIDE from the middle east, as hard as that is to accept.

              I was banned quite a while before the first post. I just didn’t care enough to make a post about it until FlyingZionist wanted to flaunt his mod powers yesterday.

              (emphasis added) - you love to call people you are arguing with Zionists.

              For a person that claims to only attack with facts and data, you really love attacking us with neither.

              • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                https://lemmy.world/post/16634874 <- an article posted by FlyingSquid, defending the civilians. https://lemmy.world/post/14716513 <- another article, posted by FlyingSquid, defending anti-genocide protesters https://lemmy.world/post/18568832 <- another article, posted by, you guessed it, FlyingSquid, basically saying “much of the world rightly has a pro-Palestinian bias”

                Sorry to be this guy, but out of those 3 links, only the 2nd one was posted by FlyingSquid, are you sure you posted the correct links (might be a crosspost issue or something)

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                11
                ·
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                This alone would not be a problem if Squid did not make up false accusations and banned me when his pro israel claims were challenged.<<

                Respond to that one. Show me the evidence of me defending the usage of child soldiers as was claimed by FlyingSquid.

                I do not care about his posturing and virtue signalling comments.

                The behavior of Squid and him lying for israel and crybullying users away which disagree with him debunks your entire

                Once again: If FlyingSquid is not a Zionist show me the evidence of me defending the usage of child soldiers.

                • JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  10
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  3 months ago

                  You don’t realize how arguments work. The onus falls on the one making the claims. Furthermore, I’ve given you chances when the rest of the mods have begged me not to. I believe in allowing all viewpoints to coexist, but you chose to attack the same people that defend you.

                  I’ve shown you what you asked to see. I sent you articles posted by FlyingSquid doing just that, but if it doesn’t say EXACTLY what you expect, I get “ah ha! but they didn’t say my exact magical incantation!”

                  Going forward, you’re on your own. You’re no victim. You’re the bully.

                  How about you explain calling me and the other mods of News Zionists?

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            10
            ·
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            Your problem is that you fail to use your own logic on yourself, and falsely accuse people of defending the use of child soldiers without evidence.

            You are still doing this.

            Read my previous comment again and do some self reflection.

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                8
                ·
                3 months ago

                Either you are incapable of reading or you do not understand the difference between endorsing an action and endorsing a group.

                • jordanlund@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  9
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  3 months ago

                  Did you, or did you not, in fact use the word “based”?

                  It’s right there in the comment.

                  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based

                  “A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.”

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldM
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      3 months ago

      JordanLund has repeatedly defended voting for Joe Biden which means that by his logic he fully supports the Genocide

      This fucking lie right here should you get permabanned alone and I hope it does. Lying that everyone you disagree with supports genocide makes you a completely unreliable and unserious person and that’s why you get all the hate you do.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        It’s actually under active discussion right now. We’re waiting for more mods to wake up and see our sidebar. Both Squid and I have recused ourselves so if the banhammer does come down, it will be from uninvolved mods.

          • Eldritch@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            3 months ago

            It’s the problem of the self radicalized single issue voter. It can happen on the left as easily as on the right. The problem is we really don’t have any effective ways of piercing such radicalization.

            Honestly outside of screaming that everyone that disagrees with them is a Zionist. Or the houthi thing. I don’t strictly disagree with much of what they post. And nobody likes the tone police. But it’s simply a fact that at some point any of us can become a bigger liability to our cause than an asset. Passion is great. But passion without logic or rationality will always be a liability.

            • barsquid@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              3 months ago

              Linkerbaan is just constantly trolling instead of participating. There are plenty of people on .world who are able to express how the situation is despicable without the same deliberate bad faith.

              • Eldritch@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                3 months ago

                Yes I have to give it to the mods they’ve been handling this well. Linkerbaan would like for the mods to lash out at them etc. In some way to justify their tantrum. I was there for the thread yesterday that linkerbaan started this with.

                Flying squid was calm and mature throughout the whole thing. Linkerbaan acting like a teenage edgelord drama queen the whole time.

      • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        This exact shit is why I can’t take Linkerbaan seriously. Anybody who remotely disagrees with them is immediately branded an evil Zionist genocide defender. Even if they agree with their other points. Keep up the good work calling them out whenever they do shit like this.

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldM
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          I’m saying they should encourage voting for Harris, Biden previously, if nothing else ,for palestinian interest. This is not “supporting genocide” in the least.

          If anyone “supports genocide” it would be those who act in favor of a trump victory. We all know he would be far worse for their sake and for everyone else’s sake.

          What’s unbelievable is after almost a year you are still pretending you don’t know trump would be FAR worse.

          And in this comment specifically, you’re pretending that I’m claiming who they “defend” is the lie, vs the neverending “supports genocide” line of ineffective tripe.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            3 months ago

            No but Jordan states that support that if you defend anything a person or group does, you unconditionally support everything have ever done.

            Just like how saying the Houthis Red Sea blockade is good means that you defend the usage of child soldiers.

            • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldM
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              3 months ago

              No but Jordan states that support that if you defend anything a person or group does, you unconditionally support everything have ever done.

              It’s like you are 100% are describing yourself. Conversations with you go like this:

              you: “Biden is funding genocide!”

              anyone else: “Trump would be way worse, regardless of what Biden has done”

              you: “You liberals LOVE genocide”

              So why exactly are you harping on the point that someone else behaved (you claim at least) like you do all the time, and that’s what makes them bad? How exactly does this let you dodge the significant fact that trump would be entirely WAY worse than Biden ever was?

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                I see the classic “don’t respond to the thread and do an ad-hominem.”

                Nice “But Trump”. Somehow shoved in there as well very impressive.

                • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldM
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  If you weren’t simping for Trump, I don’t think anyone would take issue with you. You go to great lengths to ignore that.

                  ad-hominem

                  What exactly about pointing out your hypocrisy is “ad-hominem”? Hilarious you think you’re immune to your own criticism that you perfectly embody.

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          3 months ago

          I have defended voting for Biden, because the only viable alternative is Trump who wants Israel to exterminate everyone quicker.

          https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

          “Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”

          Now Harris is the only viable alternative. If Trump takes office again he will give Israel free reign to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

          And before you answer - NO - that is not current Biden policy.

          Biden believes, sincerely, that Israel has the right to defend itself, same as any other country, and is supplying them with arms for that defense.

          https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/08/01/readout-of-president-joe-bidens-call-with-prime-minister-netanyahu-of-israel-7/

          The problem is Israel, specifically Bibi, is misappropriating that aid and Biden is not calling him out on it publicly.

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think your big beef with Biden is that he did say:

          “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”

          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/

          But you have to remember, the man is 81 years old. To him, Zionism doesn’t have the negative connotations that it does for you and me. He means it simply as “Israel has a right to exist and a right to defend itself.” Which is echoed in all his public statements.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            3 months ago

            You are not understanding the argument.

            FlyingSquid banned me under the false pretense that supporting any action means you support every action of a group.

            Supporting this ban means you agree with this logic.

            Thus following your logic: if you support Biden you fully support every action, statement and Genocide he is complicit in.

            This is your own logic talking here not me.