If you want to follow Mastodon hashtags, you should just use Mastodon. It has the UX to support this, and all you’d end up by shoving this into lemmy is a lot of noise in a UI that’s designed for replies to a single thread and not just hundreds and hundreds of threads.
The idea isn’t to firehose mastodon into Lemmy. But to tighten the integration across the Fediverse. Yes, if a community subscribed to #Harris, it would be flooded, but if a community subscribes to #CityFarm it wouldn’t grab many posts and would essentially enrich the community. It would be up to the moderators to decide what hashtag they’re subscribing to.
You can create a tab : one where you see users you follow, another one where you see community. And in your setting, you can deactivate it, even block being followed by users.
So there won’t be any noise. And when you click on hashtag, you can switch beetween : local, lemmyverse, fediverse user…and also limit the hashtag to the 10th most recent message.
So you won’t have any noise. That something you can limit.
Well, you know that we can’t migrate that easily given the community we built together. But i do think that’s the way and the futur of fediverse software. :)
I know. It was a kbin fork, so if it didn’t work well i would be very very sad. 😊
Kbin works very well with Lemmy. (Group)
Mastodon work well with Iceshrimp. (Individual)
However, where it won’t work it’s when we try to mix individual and group. That’s why i do think fediverse software should support both.
For now i have enough account, mainly on iceshrimp where i crosspost to lemmy so i can connect both side and allow people from mastodon to reach us and write to us. 😊
As i recall the problem with mastodon and lemmy was tied to activitypub technical side : group and individual.
i talked about kbin, i had an account there one year ago. Last time when i tried kbin, i couldn’t find my way, it wasn’t pleasant. Mbin probably improved that. so with mbin It is probably a thing of the past but i have to try once.
As long as it’s something you can turn off and remove, that seems like a weird ‘I want everything in one place’ thing but not utterly destructive of the Lemmy experience.
It sounded more like stuffing a firehose into your Lemmy UI, at which point all you’ve really done is just make Lemmy a mastodon client, and I’ve already got several better options for that anyway.
Let’s forget mastodon, lemmy, those aren’t the essence of my ideas. Before we had people on twitter, people on facebook, people on youtube. Those were walled garden.
I’m striving for nomadic account (concept taken from hubzilla) and fediverse.
I should have one social account where i can talk to people whatever are their software.
That’s the main reason, i was attracted by fediverse concept and word. Its selling point was freedom and bit of privacy :
I should be able to post, comment, like on mastodon, lemmy, pixelfed, peertube…without any restriction. And follow any account, community without any restriction except user, community and server choice.
I should be able to migrate on any software, with my contacts, communities and blocklist. And it should self-update and tell my contact, if i allow it that my adress has changed.
That’s what i would call the fediverse. Otherwise, i call it lemmyverse, mastoverse, peertubeverse, pixelverse. So it don’t confuse anyone. We can do that just a little due to technical limitation of activitypub.
However, if that’s our aim, then the software will slowly drift toward those two tabs and come up with different UI flavour.
I think we should just stop using “fediverse” word as we perpetuate the same walled garden as proprietary software. That’s misleading.
The very essence of freedom is that no user shall be tied to a software.
But, please, that’s my personal view on the fediverse. I’m curious, how do you imagine the fediverse ? Do you just want the same thing as Reddit with tags ? :)
It’s more about the quality of the content: you posted more than a couple hundred characters and thus were able to clearly outline what you wanted, why, and how you thought that would improve things.
Mastodon has the twitter problem where it’s short-form hot-takes and basically no good long-form content, other than like, to link to somewhere else for the good content.
I don’t have a lot of use for that kind of content especially in a format where it’s hard to respond to and have an actual conversation. Most twitter-clone UIs don’t do a good job of threading and nesting comments in a way that you can easily follow along and have conversations with the people engaged in discussion.
I’m old and like the forum-style interface where people can write out a complete thought, engage in a formatted discussion that’s easy to follow along with, and does so in a way that lets other people easily hop in at any point.
So I’d say it’s less about the idea of unifying platforms on a single identity (which I think is a great idea and firmly agree that having some sort of Fediverse SSO would make this a lot easier of a sell for less technical users) but more that dumping a pile of low-quality content into a place with reasonably good content isn’t actually improving anything.
(I would also qualify this with a comment that I’m old enough that my first “fediverse service” was FidoNet, so I’m reasonably sure I have a different opinion on the value of a well-designed platform for a single specific task vs making one that can do everything for everyone.)
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It’s more about the quality of the content: you posted more than a couple hundred characters and thus were able to clearly outline what you wanted, why, and how you thought that would improve things.
Mastodon has the twitter problem where it’s short-form hot-takes and basically no good long-form content, other than like, to link to somewhere else for the good content.
I don’t have a lot of use for that kind of content especially in a format where it’s hard to respond to and have an actual conversation. Most twitter-clone UIs don’t do a good job of threading and nesting comments in a way that you can easily follow along and have conversations with the people engaged in discussion.
I’m old and like the forum-style interface where people can write out a complete thought, engage in a formatted discussion that’s easy to follow along with, and does so in a way that lets other people easily hop in at any point.
So I’d say it’s less about the idea of unifying platforms on a single identity (which I think is a great idea and firmly agree that having some sort of Fediverse SSO would make this a lot easier of a sell for less technical users) but more that dumping a pile of low-quality content into a place with reasonably good content isn’t actually improving anything.
(I would also qualify this with a comment that I’m old enough that my first “fediverse service” was FidoNet, so I’m reasonably sure I have a different opinion on the value of a well-designed platform for a single specific task vs making one that can do everything for everyone.)
Interesting, thank for sharing your experience. :)
Yes, we need a short of fediverse SSO. I think nomadic account as hubzilla one would fit it nicely. For the SSO, i imagine is as our email address. And the alias are fedi-account. We may guide user to find their server : do you wwrite lenghty or short message ? Are you on phone or PC ? Which UI ddo you prefer ?
Well i often miss forum period because the content was better that was phpbb golden era. I see twitter/mastodon message as a live chat format where you can find someone talking about your interest with hashtag. It’s where i can take a break and share a bit of my life and see what’s going on. Compared to lemmy, i find mastodon more playful.
I use mastodon for political post because of their anoying and useful text limitation. I love debating. The problem is that with some users it ended up to a full scale nuclear wars where i spent lot time write to defend my stance. I’m the kind of guy to believe in police and anarchy, so you understand how it can end up very badly.
The 500 characters help me to keep quiet and don’t fall in a needlessy argumentation. And the fact i didn’t setup as an all-in software allow me to isolate when i need some love. :)
For Iceshrimp, it’s a cross-over between mastodon and lemmy with one of the most beautiful UI. I have 3000 characters and it’s a good balance between lenghty text and short of. I only miss the forum UI.
If you want to follow Mastodon hashtags, you should just use Mastodon. It has the UX to support this, and all you’d end up by shoving this into lemmy is a lot of noise in a UI that’s designed for replies to a single thread and not just hundreds and hundreds of threads.
The idea isn’t to firehose mastodon into Lemmy. But to tighten the integration across the Fediverse. Yes, if a community subscribed to #Harris, it would be flooded, but if a community subscribes to #CityFarm it wouldn’t grab many posts and would essentially enrich the community. It would be up to the moderators to decide what hashtag they’re subscribing to.
You can create a tab : one where you see users you follow, another one where you see community. And in your setting, you can deactivate it, even block being followed by users.
So there won’t be any noise. And when you click on hashtag, you can switch beetween : local, lemmyverse, fediverse user…and also limit the hashtag to the 10th most recent message.
So you won’t have any noise. That something you can limit.
So basically, Mbin?
Well, you know that we can’t migrate that easily given the community we built together. But i do think that’s the way and the futur of fediverse software. :)
From a user perspective, Jlailu is perfectly accessible from Mbin
I know. It was a kbin fork, so if it didn’t work well i would be very very sad. 😊
However, where it won’t work it’s when we try to mix individual and group. That’s why i do think fediverse software should support both.
For now i have enough account, mainly on iceshrimp where i crosspost to lemmy so i can connect both side and allow people from mastodon to reach us and write to us. 😊
What are the issues with Mbin and microblogging? Some toots are not accessible?
As i recall the problem with mastodon and lemmy was tied to activitypub technical side : group and individual.
i talked about kbin, i had an account there one year ago. Last time when i tried kbin, i couldn’t find my way, it wasn’t pleasant. Mbin probably improved that. so with mbin It is probably a thing of the past but i have to try once.
As long as it’s something you can turn off and remove, that seems like a weird ‘I want everything in one place’ thing but not utterly destructive of the Lemmy experience.
It sounded more like stuffing a firehose into your Lemmy UI, at which point all you’ve really done is just make Lemmy a mastodon client, and I’ve already got several better options for that anyway.
It’s not i want “everything at one place” but “i want to break free” :
https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=NkAm0u3lqH8
Let’s forget mastodon, lemmy, those aren’t the essence of my ideas. Before we had people on twitter, people on facebook, people on youtube. Those were walled garden.
I’m striving for nomadic account (concept taken from hubzilla) and fediverse.
I should have one social account where i can talk to people whatever are their software.
That’s the main reason, i was attracted by fediverse concept and word. Its selling point was freedom and bit of privacy :
I should be able to post, comment, like on mastodon, lemmy, pixelfed, peertube…without any restriction. And follow any account, community without any restriction except user, community and server choice.
I should be able to migrate on any software, with my contacts, communities and blocklist. And it should self-update and tell my contact, if i allow it that my adress has changed.
That’s what i would call the fediverse. Otherwise, i call it lemmyverse, mastoverse, peertubeverse, pixelverse. So it don’t confuse anyone. We can do that just a little due to technical limitation of activitypub.
However, if that’s our aim, then the software will slowly drift toward those two tabs and come up with different UI flavour.
I think we should just stop using “fediverse” word as we perpetuate the same walled garden as proprietary software. That’s misleading.
The very essence of freedom is that no user shall be tied to a software.
But, please, that’s my personal view on the fediverse. I’m curious, how do you imagine the fediverse ? Do you just want the same thing as Reddit with tags ? :)
It’s more about the quality of the content: you posted more than a couple hundred characters and thus were able to clearly outline what you wanted, why, and how you thought that would improve things.
Mastodon has the twitter problem where it’s short-form hot-takes and basically no good long-form content, other than like, to link to somewhere else for the good content.
I don’t have a lot of use for that kind of content especially in a format where it’s hard to respond to and have an actual conversation. Most twitter-clone UIs don’t do a good job of threading and nesting comments in a way that you can easily follow along and have conversations with the people engaged in discussion.
I’m old and like the forum-style interface where people can write out a complete thought, engage in a formatted discussion that’s easy to follow along with, and does so in a way that lets other people easily hop in at any point.
So I’d say it’s less about the idea of unifying platforms on a single identity (which I think is a great idea and firmly agree that having some sort of Fediverse SSO would make this a lot easier of a sell for less technical users) but more that dumping a pile of low-quality content into a place with reasonably good content isn’t actually improving anything.
(I would also qualify this with a comment that I’m old enough that my first “fediverse service” was FidoNet, so I’m reasonably sure I have a different opinion on the value of a well-designed platform for a single specific task vs making one that can do everything for everyone.)
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It’s more about the quality of the content: you posted more than a couple hundred characters and thus were able to clearly outline what you wanted, why, and how you thought that would improve things.
Mastodon has the twitter problem where it’s short-form hot-takes and basically no good long-form content, other than like, to link to somewhere else for the good content.
I don’t have a lot of use for that kind of content especially in a format where it’s hard to respond to and have an actual conversation. Most twitter-clone UIs don’t do a good job of threading and nesting comments in a way that you can easily follow along and have conversations with the people engaged in discussion.
I’m old and like the forum-style interface where people can write out a complete thought, engage in a formatted discussion that’s easy to follow along with, and does so in a way that lets other people easily hop in at any point.
So I’d say it’s less about the idea of unifying platforms on a single identity (which I think is a great idea and firmly agree that having some sort of Fediverse SSO would make this a lot easier of a sell for less technical users) but more that dumping a pile of low-quality content into a place with reasonably good content isn’t actually improving anything.
(I would also qualify this with a comment that I’m old enough that my first “fediverse service” was FidoNet, so I’m reasonably sure I have a different opinion on the value of a well-designed platform for a single specific task vs making one that can do everything for everyone.)
Interesting, thank for sharing your experience. :)
Yes, we need a short of fediverse SSO. I think nomadic account as hubzilla one would fit it nicely. For the SSO, i imagine is as our email address. And the alias are fedi-account. We may guide user to find their server : do you wwrite lenghty or short message ? Are you on phone or PC ? Which UI ddo you prefer ?
Well i often miss forum period because the content was better that was phpbb golden era. I see twitter/mastodon message as a live chat format where you can find someone talking about your interest with hashtag. It’s where i can take a break and share a bit of my life and see what’s going on. Compared to lemmy, i find mastodon more playful.
I use mastodon for political post because of their anoying and useful text limitation. I love debating. The problem is that with some users it ended up to a full scale nuclear wars where i spent lot time write to defend my stance. I’m the kind of guy to believe in police and anarchy, so you understand how it can end up very badly.
The 500 characters help me to keep quiet and don’t fall in a needlessy argumentation. And the fact i didn’t setup as an all-in software allow me to isolate when i need some love. :)
For Iceshrimp, it’s a cross-over between mastodon and lemmy with one of the most beautiful UI. I have 3000 characters and it’s a good balance between lenghty text and short of. I only miss the forum UI.
And lemmy, when you use filter new and new comment is almost exactly like mastodon. :)
Sounds like an awesome addition to people on Lemmy!
Thanks for sharing your views on the matter!