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- nashville@lemmy.world
The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.
They first arrived at the beginning of July: dozens of masked white supremacists, shuffling out of U-Hauls, to march through Nashville carrying upside-down American flags.
A week later, members of a separate neo-Nazi group, waving giant black flags with red swastikas, paraded along the city’s famed strip of honky-tonks and celebrity-owned bars. The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting, harassed descendants of Holocaust survivors and yelled racist slurs at young Black children performing on a downtown street.
The appearance of white nationalists on the streets of a major American city laid bare the growing brazenness of the two groups, the Patriot Front and the Goyim Defense League. Their provocations enraged and alarmed civic leaders and residents in Nashville, causing the city to grapple with how to confront the groups without violating free speech protections.
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If you punch a nazi, and you get two friends to punch a nazi and then they get two friends to punch nazis, before you know it, everyone is punching nazis.
My favorite shampoo commercial, even better
You can’t go around punching cops.
You’re not allowed to, but you definitely can.
Not for very long, unfortunately
Make the world a better place
Punch a Nazi in the face
I need that on a t-shirt
My ex worked at a local screen printing shop, and I hung out there a lot and made some cash during big orders. I went to the owner with a simple “punch more nazis” design I made stoned, half jokingly asked him to burn the design so my ex could print it for me.
It was the business version of that genie “thats dope you still have 3 wishes” meme - “yea I’ll burn it in the morning you know where the extras (leftover unused shirts) are 🤷♂️”
We never got along super well but we knew where we agreed lmao
The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.
The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting,
Arrest. Them. Holy shit, that’s something that in any reasonably sized city would be worth at least a night in jail to cool off, even if you were some fucking normie instead of a neonazi fuck. It’s not that fucking hard.
Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?
I don’t want this sort of thing going on, but what law would justify jail time?
I mean maybe they did do something to justify it, but I don’t know that disrupting a city council meeting should land people in jail. People also disrupt city council meetings when they try to pass anti-queer ordinances. And they should.
Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?
Criminal trespass, easy. Fuck, that’s levied all the time as a club against left-wing protesters. Yet when actual neonazis show up, they get nothing? Fuck that.
Criminal trespass…
Most city council meetings are legally open to the public. It is in fact their main purpose.
Most city council meetings are legally open to the public. It is in fact their main purpose.
I’m used to normal city council meetings being private, and public ones being the exception.
They’re open to the public unless certain members are asked to leave.
A public building can still kick someone out, and if they don’t leave, then that’s trespassing.
I think the answer to that is not ‘also arrest the Nazis,’ it’s ‘don’t arrest the left-wing protesters either.’
Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.
Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.
And neither does playing by the gentleman’s rules of boxing when your opponent is using brass knuckles. Fucking “They go low, we go high”? Did we not learn our lesson? If a weapon is used, the correct answer is to make the opposition see why that weapon was banned in the first place - it’s the same reason why many signatories of the Geneva Protocol allow for retaliation if chemical weapons are used against them.
So left-wing protesters should continue to be arrested as long as Nazis are also arrested? Really?
So left-wing protesters should continue to be arrested as long as Nazis are also arrested? Really?
… what? Not arresting Nazis isn’t going to magically un-arrest left-wing protesters.
It’s also not going to arrest Nazis that have already done these things. So how about we don’t arrest anyone for protesting and just make it legal from now on?
Left-wing protestors not getting arrested isn’t even on the table here, so I don’t see why the argument should be couched based on that.
Why isn’t it on the table? Shouldn’t it be on the table?
Left-wing protestors respect the social contract. NAZIs don’t, and therefore do not deserve to be protected by it.
People don’t deserve equal rights under the law? Are you sure that’s the position you want to take up? Because it sounds like a very Republican position.
Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.
Good point: the correct answer is, don’t treat them equally, because they don’t act equally. What we should be doing is exactly the opposite of what we are doing: fucking-up the NAZIs while leaving the left-wing protestors alone.
This is not hypocrisy, by the way. This is a simple application of consequences: those who do not respect the social contract do not deserve to be protected by it.
It may not be hypocrisy, but it is suggesting that the law continue to be applied unequally (just the opposite way around), which is definitely not a progressive position.
Arrest any and all groups that storm in and disrupt government functions, simple as that
Which means that people in the government can argue that virtually anything the government does is a “government function.” Mayor’s press conference? Government function. Better arrest those protesters. Governor’s mansion? It has public tours. That’s a government function. Better arrest those protestors.
Look what happened without that law when a president wanted a photo op with a Bible in front of a church. And you want to make that even easier?
You can protest outside the building perfectly fine, storming into the chambers and stopping the agenda is blatant disruption and I won’t argue it.
But how do you make it clear that is the government function that can’t be disrupted but the press conference afterward can because it does not count as a government function?
After seeing federal agents literally kidnapping people off the streets of Portland for “looking like protesters,” yes absolutely they can arrest them even if the charges are bullshit or won’t stick.
Not if they don’t get paid for it.
Civil disobedience can get you arrested, and while you might beat the rap, you can’t beat the ride.
Both you and @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world are arguing the same point. The only difference is @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world wants nobody arrested and you want to also arrest the Nazis.
First of all ACAB let it be known. However I think it’s more likely to get a local city council to allow for anyone using intimidating imagery, (defined by swastika and similar iconography) to be detained and removed from chambers. It’s been done elsewhere with great effect.
The issue is how to get it enforced because unfortunately, those that burn crosses are the same that join forces.
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/public-display-of-swastika-in-the-us
Treat them like our American predecessors did. If they’re wearing swastikas then shoot the fuckers.
Sounds right to me. Nazis invaded Europe, tried to take over the world, and slaughtered millions in gas chambers. The US military should be deployed to arrest or neutralize Nazis whenever they appear.
For starters, it can not arrest the bartender that punched a nazi after that nazi started a fight.
My dude didn’t deserve to be arrested, he deserved to drink for free throughout Lower Broadway!
Yeah, I don’t give a flying fuck about a Nazi’s First Amendment rights, just like they don’t give a flying fuck about anyone else’s rights.
Jake and Elwood knew how to handle it.
Arrest them for an unlawful assembly like they do to everyone else they don’t want marching.
No, that’s only for black people and Muslims. “Unlawful” assembly for neo-nazis is just met with a shrug.
How would the pigs marching there arrest themselves?
Gather up all of your neighbors and go punch some Nazi trash.
The greatest generation knew how to deal with Nazis. Flamethrowers, bombs, artillery & bayonets. That’s all the conversation needed.
No, no, you see, war is bad, therefore, we should take the high road and let the Nazis slaughter us while we lodge diplomatic complaints at the UN in the hope of getting them to stop, eventually, someday. /s
Point.
Laugh.
Call them “weird”.
Make them realize how unpopular they really are.
Briefly, then go all out ignoring them
Turn on the sprinklers.
Laugh at and ridicule them. Make it very clear that you aren’t scared of them and that they’re rejects of society who amount to nothing. Take away their sense of power and they’ll leave. It’s worked in the past on several occasions.
“Take off your mask and pose for a picture, coward.”
Remind them that they are cowards again and again.
In 1943-45, you just shot them.
I vote snipers.
Aim for the hoods.
This is why I don’t get to run a town, but I stand by my opinion here.
