• solsangraal@lemmy.zip
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    2 months ago

    thank you harris and dems. this is much better than the “he’s weird” approach. ratchet up the pressure on the fascism aspect, all the way up, and keep it there

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      Why not both? “Weird” gets politically disengaged people to notice, then follow up with how a Trump or Republican facist presidency would be dangerous.

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      I am so glad Biden stepped down and Harris is actually running the campaign the Dems should have been running since 2016.

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        I think Biden was the best person to run in 2020.

        His prior experience with the office + familiarity with world leaders is what allowed him to actually work from day one and also get NATO back together.

        Remember that trump didn’t hand the power peacefully, was blocking intelligence reports and our relationship with our allies was in the shitter.

        Putin started to preparing to invade Ukraine in April 2021 (or at least that’s when or intelligence noticed it), putin was certain that Biden won’t be able to reunite West on time.

        All other 2020 candidates would need some time ramp up as they did not have the same experience.

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          I am talking about Dems as a whole and the campaigns they should have run, not which candidates were running.

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          Biden was a good guy to have on cleanup duty. I think one of the main reasons why the Obama presidency was such a disappointment is that he had to handle cleanup duty at the same time as he was trying to push things forward.

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      The “He’s weird” is the equivalent of “Doesn’t she look tired” in Doctor Who, when the Doctor decides to end a bad politician’s career. That sentence, as it starts spreading, destroys her career.

      This is what they aim for, and it’s meant for MAGAs, to crack them open.

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    Also love that she’s factually calling him out as a criminal.

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      He’s just going to call her “lyin’” or “crooked” or something like that, so she might as well call him what he is…a criminal.

      It’s that kind of tit-for-tat that you wouldn’t get from Joe Biden, who was worried about looking polite and respectable. It just wound up making him look weak.

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        I think the most streamlined nickname the lab-coat wearing neurons in his swollen, cancerous amygdala could come up with is “laffin’” and he had to fucking explain to the sheep he’s trying to herd to he wanted it spelled.

        Flailing. Bigly.

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          I think he wants to make sure his followers use the correct “urban” spelling to help the dog whistle spread.

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    I’ll tell you all a secret:

    Win this for us all and we can do almost the same thing. In four years we could make voting easier. We could collectively push to end gerrymandering and implement a fair and true foundation for a stronger and better system. If Trump and his cronies truly believe they can take down everything that has been built, I bet we can begin building a better tomorrow through the action of each of us as individuals, working together towards a more positive future.

    Let’s pay to deliver our future and not get robbed to repeat the past.

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      Yeah, but don’t stop at Trump. Get the fuckers out of the House/Senate too. Vote against Trump-lite mayors, , councils, and civil positions. This doesn’t mean always vote D, but stop letting insane candidates win via voter apathy, whatever the riding.

      Where you can, make a difference yourself. Run for HOA, school board, etc yourselves and get the power-tripping fucktards out.

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      I bet we can begin building a better tomorrow through the action of each of us as individuals

      I’ll bet we can do it by working together as groups.

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    I’m sure Republicans are all going on about how he’s “just joking”. Sure, that obviously was a joke but it’s not like conservatives don’t want exactly this – they always hide behind “it was just a joke maaaannn” when the heinous shit they say causes a negative reaction

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      “it’s just a joke man… unless you’re cool with it. In which case yeah we’re totally serious”

      Kinda like joking about having a threesome with your significant other.

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      It wasn’t a joke, which we know because they doubled down after failing the 2020 electiom coup.

      Yes, they hide behind joking when they say heinous shit like mocking the military or the disabled. They also hide behind it when when they are open about wanting a dictatorship.

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        Yes this is exactly what I meant. It was said in a manner that they can just claim it was a joke, even when it’s clearly not

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      It doesn’t help that Trump’s speeches are full of semi-coherent rambling and tangential sentence fragments, and that his entire style has always been to speak entirely in ridiculous hyperbole. It makes it easier for people to interpret statements in whatever way best fits their point of view, because you just get used to filling in the context and reducing his absurd claims down to a vague generality.

      I’m sure Trump defenders will argue that he was saying “you won’t have to vote” only meant that the next election won’t have such high stakes because Trump will fix America’s problems and yada yada yada.

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        I’m sure Trump defenders will argue that he was saying “you won’t have to vote” only meant that the next election won’t have such high stakes because Trump will fix America’s problems and yada yada yada.

        I despise the guy but I’m not sure how to say this without sounding like I support him…I honestly think this IS what I think he meant. The dude can’t put together coherent sentences. Words just kind of fall out of his mouth.

        With that said, eliminating elections is definitely what his puppet masters want so it’s kind of a moot point. This is their long game and Trump is just a piece of the puzzle.

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              I think this is dangerous. He may not be articulate, he may not be good at math, but the man is smart when it comes to working a crowd. He has done enough to become president once and I don’t think a stupid man would fumble his way there.

              He’s smart, even if I hate to admit it. To pretend he isn’t means we aren’t taking him as seriously as we should.

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                Being shrewd and charismatic (to some people…YUCK) doesn’t mean he’s smart. He gets his orders from someone higher up who IS smart and knows how to stroke his ego to get him to act.

                It’s not dangerous to think or say that because the hidden threat is significantly greater and I’m pointing that over the fumbling idiot. He’s the tip of the spear.

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          I honestly think this IS what I think he meant.

          Never get inside a conservative’s mind if you come out with a loser defeatism attitude. He might try to claim that as his fall back cover story when a journalist presses him on it, but it’s not what he meant at all. The most generous interpretation is “I don’t care who wins after me because I just want to win to stay out of jail”. The most likely interpretation is "Pay attention to me. Pay attention to me. Pay attention to me. " If he wins he will be saying shit like that every single day for 4 years like an abusive spouse just for the attention. But he absolutely will try to end democratic elections if he think he can get away with it.

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      Their interpretation is that he was trying to motivate a bunch of old Christians to come out and vote for him so he can fix all the problems with America, and then they can go back to not voting because it’ll all be fixed.

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        Christians voting for Trump…sigh.

        Look, I’m atheist. But…if you’re claiming to be Christian and voting for Trump, what exactly are you worshiping?

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        Thanks for sharing this interpretation. Assuming for a moment that was his actual intent in saying that (I watched the clip several times and I simply could not decipher his actual intent), I would suggest that it should still be essentially campaign-ending to say something so closely resembling a call for the end of elections once you are elected. People should be so repulsed by the idea that it makes all candidates feel obliged to speak carefully and clearly enough to avoid even the insinuation of saying such things.

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          People are always trying to make excuses for Sex Offender Trump and they are always wrong. He actual intent is (1) to appeal to the neofascist movement and (2) to force you to pay attention to him like an abusive spouse. If elected Sex Offender Trump will say shit like that every single day to make you pay attention to him and it will continually escalate throughout his 4 years to try to condition people to let him stay in power.

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    It’s weird that I knew all this but it’s way more chilling to have Harris’ campaign tell us.

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      America has a death penalty for treason(i think) Maybe use it if you gonna keep it on the books

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    Where was this posted? I want to be able to open the blue links! I just searched for it and found nothing. There’s nothing in the official Whitehouse.gov Briefing Room page. There’s nothing on Twitter from her official account (and shame on you for making me go to that shithole to look!)

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    Look, obviously vote like your life depends on it, but we’re going to have to do something more than vote eventually.

    This is the third election we’ve had to deal with Trump. This kind of threat to democracy will exist with every election until we do something to make the US population less fascist.

    Fortunately, we have a cult of personality surrounding an elderly man, rather than a legitimate political movement, so he will eventually die and take a lot of political energy with him.

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    Is ‘Harris for President’ directly connected to her? Or is it just an independent group?

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    Hate to be picky but that isn’t a Harris statement, it’s a statement by an official of her campaign. Not that that she (and I) wouldn’t agree