Years before sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson gunned down Sonya Massey in her own home, he had been discharged from the Army for serious misconduct and had a history of driving under the influence, records show.
He also failed to obey a command while working for another sheriff’s office in Illinois and was told he needed “high stress decision making classes,” the agency’s documents reveal.
Grayson, who was a Sangamon County sheriff’s deputy before he was fired and charged with murder, responded to a report of a prowler at Massey’s home July 6. Bodycam footage from another deputy showed Massey saying she rebuked Grayson, and Grayson responded by threatening the 36-year-old. The exchange ended with Grayson shooting Massey and failing to render aid.
Yeah. Personally I suspect that “defund the police” was explicit advocacy for exactly the type of vindictive make-everything-worse solution that it sounds like, and then got retconned afterwards into something much more sensible once (some) people realized how bad the initial idea was as a civic policy.
May I suggest “fix the system” as an alternate solution? It encompasses both the idea of productively addressing the systemic problem in policing, and moving on from there to wider issues in the criminal justice system that at this point I think are actually much bigger unaddressed problems than anything going on on a large scale with frontline police.
There’s no fixing the system it must be destroyed and replaced.
Do you wanna get together with a bunch of like minded people, find a city somewhere where you can vote in new leadership and destroy the police department, and see how it works out?
The hippies tried their version of that back in the 1960s with Vermont, and it turned Vermont into a substantially more pleasant place. Some people tried it in Aspen (read Hunter Thompson’s proposals for how he wanted to reform the police department and what the voters did and how it played out; it is fascinating reading.) The libertarians tried it somewhere in New England and somewhere in the Southwest, more recently, and their philosophies in practice were an utter failure.
I am asserting that your solutions will not work in the real world. If you want to prove me wrong, you are empowered to organize and find a place and make it happen and run the experiment. People are actually doing this with non-destroying options like sending mental health professionals on mental health calls, and it’s working well, so sure give your thing a shot.
isn’t your first paragraph what the country was literally founded to do, should we be surprised then, when, people want to do that?
I wasn’t trying to express surprise or sarcasm. Whether or not I personally think it’s a good idea, I was fully unironically saying that taking over a city and doing it the way that you think makes sense, if the current system of policing isn’t making sense to you, is a good idea.
Honestly, whether or not it works, we need more of that. The whole idea that “they” run the cities and “we” are at the mercy of what “they” have decided to do is not completely true, but it’s also not completely false. If a bunch of ACAB people took over a city, destroyed the police department, suddenly realized that it’s a bad idea to have no one to respond / only non violent people to respond if some violent crime happens, and then started working on “okay well then what do we want it to look like, avoiding the problems we experienced in the past with the way the police were organized”, that would be a pretty fantastic thing. Again whether or not I was on board with how they thought about it before or after going into it. And, non-caricature versions of that (e.g. sending community response teams instead of police for non-criminal matters) has been a reform that’s been happening, and it’s been working. It’s a good thing.
(Actually the citation the one person sent me to the Marshall project went into a decent amount of detail about what we do actually want it to look like. It pointed out that a lot of the fundamental problems are problems of social services, social framework, underlying root causes, and then beyond that, funding for 911 centers and non-police emergency response, and only beyond that does it even become an issue anything that the police do whether right or wrong. Like I said I actually liked that citation and what it had to say. I was only disagreeing with the idea of applying it as justification for the idea of “and that’s why the police are BAD!” as a conclusion and as the sum total of what we need to do to fix the system, apparently.)
But anyway, we need more self government in civic society, including policing. Because, yes, that is what the country was literally founded to do, and it’s not really fully the system right now.