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    2 months ago

    Depends on which numbers you’re looking at.

    Your numbers don’t include the massive scale out of renewable energy, transit, and EVs that is outpacing the rest of the world combined. That’s crazy. Your numbers don’t include like 95% of EV buses: crazy. And your numbers don’t include the millions of Chinese still being uplifted to the developed world suddenly needing energy.

    Most of all, your numbers don’t include progress toward decarbonization targets. Every country could define their own, but China is ahead of what they promised and most of the rest of us are behind

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      Depends on which numbers you’re looking at.

      I absolutely agree.

      Your numbers don’t include the massive scale out of renewable energy, transit, and EVs that is outpacing the rest of the world combined. That’s crazy. Your numbers don’t include like 95% of EV buses: crazy.

      The amount of carbon China is releasing today doesn’t care about any of that. You’re looking at the gross, but what matters is the net which reaches the air. The net is hugely bad compared to other countries considering we have only one planet.

      And your numbers don’t include the millions of Chinese still being uplifted to the developed world suddenly needing energy.

      The atmosphere doesn’t care about uplifting people. The climate will change negatively to human (plant and animal) life with the continue, or worse, increase of carbon emissions.

      Most of all, your numbers don’t include progress toward decarbonization targets. Every country could define their own, but China is ahead of what they promised and most of the rest of us are behind

      The atmosphere doesn’t care about promises. It cares about reductions of release of carbon. If China is continuing to release more carbon while promising to release less at some point in the future, that doesn’t help. Worse, China is isn’t just releasing more carbon, its rate of release is also increasing drastically year over year. So its getting worse, not better, every year in a greater proportion to the prior year.

      China can get accolades on decarbonizaion, when it actually de-carbonizes. So far that isn’t happening.

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        The atmosphere doesn’t care about uplifting people

        For sure, but it may be species-ist, but the whole point of caring for the environment is to give people a better future …. Compared to giving people a better future

        China can get accolades on decarbonizaion, when it actually de-carbonizes

        Progress is good, even if we don’t yet meet necessary goals. The point is they’re ahead of what they committed to. That’s a good thing. We’re not. That’s not good

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          but the whole point of caring for the environment is to give people a better future …. Compared to giving people a better future

          Those people will NOT HAVE a better future with climate change.

          Progress is good,

          There is no progress. China’s carbon emissions are greater year after year. There IS NO reduction. That isn’t progress. That is regression.

          even if we don’t yet meet necessary goals. The point is they’re ahead of what they committed to. That’s a good thing. We’re not. That’s not good

          Look at the graph. The rest of the world is REDUCING carbon emissions. China (and India) are increasing.

          They’re ahead of what they committed to but they keep increasing carbon emissions? How are you possible able to see that as a positive thing?