Nato members have pledged their support for an “irreversible path” to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.
While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance’s 32 members said they had “unwavering” support for Ukraine’s war effort.
Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine’s military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.
The bloc’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: “Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest.”
Sorry, but as Eastern European, we begged for NATO membership because of constant (>200 years) Russian occupation hazard. We only care about America as a strong ally (of many) in the NATO group, there is no imperialism, direct, indirect, effective or otherwise interprettable. It’s a purely defensive pact with all its tenets clearly and publicly laid out.
We could not fight back alone and we wouldnt be able to, because just as to Ukraine and as to Nazis, the amount of meat Russia (yes the whole country, not just Putin) is willing to throw into the meatgrinder is incomprehensible.
Also, these sorts don’t seem to realize that NATO is on Russia’s border regardless of Ukraine’s status. Even before Russia invaded and Finland joined NATO.
They’ve never looked at a fucking map.
I mean… When they’re claiming russia applied to NATO and was rejected… What did you expect, a sound and reasonable mind? They’re literally just repeating their propaganda, nothing more.
Oh I know, but I’ve heard that particular lie about Russia not wanting NATO on their border being behind the invasion way too many times. NATO has literally been bordering Russia since its inception.
Yeah, fair. That’s the easiest, most obvious piece of propaganda to debunk ever. And they swallow it like it’s putin’s cum. Oh well… I hope they at least enjoy the taste.
Also with modern power projection…we don’t have to be on your border…
Because countries wanted to join the defensive pact…this isn’t even hard…
Russia might still have invaded without NATO provocation. However while Russia is evil, they do have a very valid point in not wanting NATO next to their border.
Especially since Russia’s NATO application got rejected.
Ukraine not joining NATO
Russia invade Ukraine
NATO now very open to Ukraine joining due to a Russian threat.
See how Russia is causing the NATO membership? Not preventing it.
To me it feels like Russia saying they’re invading due to NATO is just a smokescreen for something else, and a way to get support from their population.
And as it’s caused the NATO membership, Russians can now say “see! We told you so! They are joining just like we said!”, ignoring that they’ve directly caused this outcome.
I wonder if the main reason for this is just to try and better secure the black sea for some reason.
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/2/pdf/220214-factsheet_NATO-Ukraine_Relations_.pdf
Also relevant is Zelensky staging a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to overthrow the Russian puppet regime that was in place at that time. Meaning Russia lost control over Ukraine politically.
Right. And if I say that I’m changing my diet to fit with my neighbours, that doesn’t make me part of neighbour’s family.
I get what you’re saying, they were aligning themselves to become NATO members. That’s not the same as what’s happening now though where NATO are saying “yes we want them in”, which is an outcome Russia has caused by this invasion.
Edit- just another note…both of these occurred since Russia annexed Crimea, which could definitely be construed as aggressive behaviour on Russia’s part. Again pointing towards Russia causing an outcome they’re claiming to have a problem with.
Actually NATO just rejected the Ukrainian application. Looks like we’re throwing more Ukrainians into the meat grinder and not fighting ourselves.
I guess wanting them in, and feeling that it’s appropriate to bring them in right now are two different things.
As they’ve said. They want them in. That’s not the same as thinking they should be in now.
I want to retire, but retiring right now is not appropriate.
First Ukraine didn’t apply. That was false.
Then Ukraine was joining NATO. That was false.
IDK nobody here seems interested in literal facts so let’s call it quits here.
Yeah let all it quits. I’m really struggling to follow you.