Fact Check

Based on currently available numbers, there are about 31 vacant housing units for every homeless person in the U.S.

    • S_204@lemm.ee
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      4 months ago

      It’s comments like this that demonstrate just how uninformed Republican supporters are about the actual policies of the two parties.

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        4 months ago

        Or we just sit back and watch the chit show that the democrats provide us almost on a daily basis.

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        Do you understand how ironic this is when this site non-stop strawmans every republican position?

        • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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          this is when this site non-stop strawmans every republican position?

          Isn’t that statement itself a strawman? Just a vague non-specific accusation in order to attack a group?

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            I can understand your critique, but the thing is every single post with more than a few comments turns into a strawman of republicans. I dont really know what to tell you if you cant see how bad places like this are.

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              So here’s the thing: S_204 was criticizing OP for a specific comment OP made.
              You then criticized S_204 for vague comments other users may have made.

              Do you see the difference? Regardless of if your statement is true or not, it is irrelevant to criticism S_204 is making of OPs comment unless either one of these people are making the comments you are critical of.

              Lemmy has a large user base with many communities. It’s as relevant as running into a Vegan and saying “That’s ironic considering how many people in this country eat meat.”

              the thing is every single post with more than a few comments turns into a strawman of republicans

              Then the place to criticize that behaviour is on those posts, not randomly elsewhere to random people that didn’t make the post.

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                If I took a glance in to that guys comment history, I bet I could find the exact strawmans he is making. I was just pointing out the silly the comment was about the GOP when Lemmy does the exact same thing in the opposite directing.

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                  If I took a glance in to that guys comment history, I bet I could find the exact strawmans he is making

                  Then do it instead of making vague assumptions. You complain about Strawmen but all you do is Guilt by Association, Ad Hominem, and Begging the Question.

                  I’m just pointing out that someone making a criticism of a specific comment is not equal to vague statements about comments that may or may not have been made by other people not involved in the conversation.

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      If you mean giving people housing instead of locking them in cages while they await asylum hearings, then yeah, let’s hope so. I’m not holding my breath though.

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        Or… no waiting. No cages. No asylum. Turn the fk back around and find another country to migrate to. Or face violence. I rather pay for the violence with my tax dollars than for some migrant trying to sneak into our nation, getting caught, and then paying for their livelihood with my tax dollars.

        We pay Israel and Ukraine for violence with our tax dollars, why not extend that to our border patrol?

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          I’d prefer a world without violence. Perhaps once where our tax dollars are spent on our happiness and well being, as opposed to inflicting violence on “others.”

          You should be aware that immigrants to our country are incredibly motivated and hard working on average. Many of them do jobs Americans are unwilling to do, and at near starvation wages because they are exploited by their employers due to their status. Most importantly - research has shown them to commit less violent crimes compared to native born Americans. Please let that sink in.

          You seem angry about our living situation based on what you wrote. I get it, I’m mad about things too - just make sure you’re directing that ire at those who deserve it. Immigrants aren’t the enemy here. We’re all immigrants brother, it’s what built this great nation. As it has been since time immemorial - the enemy are the elites who work to set us against once another so they can steal everything we have while we’re distracted. It’s a class war, and these immigrants you’re getting all riled up about are on our side of that conflict.

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            I’m by no means shifting the blame on immigrants themselves. But the politicians that opened the borders and allowed them in without background checks. Illegal immigrant today, Democrat voter tomorrow.

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              lol well it’s kind of hard for them to vote (read: impossible) until they complete the legal naturalization process, but ok.

              You’re right that our politicians in Congress suck ass for not reforming immigration policy. It has gone pretty much untouched since the 60s. Name me any other profession where you can collectively fuck off and not do your job at all for 60 years and it’s considered normal, like wtf.

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                History of Path to Citizenship Legislation

                “Path to citizenship” is a political phrase that usually refers to allowing undocumented immigrants to become American citizens via a special process. This process may include special requirements (such as fees, background checks, or additional waiting times) beyond those already in place for the naturalization of documented immigrants. Citizenship means the immigrants could receive government benefits (such as Social Security), would be eligible to vote, could bring family members into the U.S., and would not be deported for committing a crime.

                The term “legalization” refers to a different process from a path to citizenship. Legalization means undocumented immigrants would be allowed to remain in the country legally but would not be allowed to become citizens or receive the same rights granted to US citizens. With legalization, the immigrants would be authorized to work in the U.S., have the ability to legally travel in and out of the country, and would not be subject to deportation for being in the country (though committing certain crimes could lead to deportation). They would not be eligible to vote or to receive government benefits or to bring family members into the country.

                More here

                My understanding is that the Democrats want illegal immigrants to come into this country (illegal because they did not take the path to citizenship, they’re not documented, they’re undocumented) to later give them an easy (easier than what we have already established) path to citizenship. These new immigrant citizens would only be obligated to vote for Democrats as a returned favor. Dem party needs more Democrat voters and we know it.

                Now hopefully when Trump takes office we get that wall built completely, once and for all. Personally, I’d support adding .50 cal turrets every few hundred yards of that wall.

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              If they’re illegal immigrants then by definition the politicians are not “opening the borders and allowing them in”, they are sneaking in.

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        No matter what, America first. So yes, clearly. Why TF would I prefer some random illegal immigrant to take up housing on U.S. soil when we have homeless people? It’s ass backwards to give illegal immigrants any privilege over American citizens.

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          The only True Americans I know that aren’t illegal immigrants or descendants of illegal immigrants:

          • Are not white
          • Live on reservations or run casinos.
        • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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          Try to stay on topic. We understand you hate minorities but that is not being discussed here. The article is about how there’s more empty dwellings than homeless people. We both agree that is absurd yes? Perhaps there should be higher taxes on empty dwellings to motivate owners to sell / lower their asking rent.

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            I’m… technically a minority. I just don’t have the mindset of victimhood that liberals tell me I should have.

            With that said, we should cut the head off the snake, asset management firms like BlackRock (that’s a whole other discussion in of itself).

            Allow the market to run its course. Meaning if no one is buying these empty dwellings, naturally, the price of these empty dwellings should drop over time. If the owner is able to continue holding onto it and refuses to lower their price to attract more attention to sale, that’s on the owner. Doesn’t make sense to force their hand to sell it by increasing their taxes on a building that isn’t even being utilized in the first place.

            Same thought process for renting a dwelling. If the owner can afford for assets to not produce, then so be it. But anyone with a sound mind would definitely lower their rent prices to attract renters.

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              Allow the market to run its course.

              We have been allowing the market to run its course, we are living with the result: a limited quantity required for survival (shelter) is bought up for the purpose of profiting off that scarcity and requirement, and those that can’t afford to maximize the landlord’s profits are left on the streets.

              When people do this with luxury items like concert tickets and consoles we vilify them and call them scalpers. When they do it with shelter it suddenly becomes “an investment” regardless of the harm it does to the general population.

              I find it baffling how often I hear “things are bad right now with X, but we just need to continue doing the exact same way we have been and change nothing, and surely it will improve!”

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                Well I personally feel that BlackRock and other asset management firms are the problem. I don’t support corporations buying up assets (homes in this case), manipulating the market, and attempting to flip for even more than its actually worth.

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                  Well I personally feel that BlackRock and other asset management firms are the problem. I don’t support corporations buying up assets (homes in this case), manipulating the market, and attempting to flip for even more than its actually worth.

                  Okay, but that is a result of “letting the market run its course.” What do you suggest be changed in order to stop BlackRock from doing that?

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      Biden has actually done very little for immigrants in this admin… And he’s kept a lot of Trump’s policies on immigration.

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        Didn’t you know? By default the opposition of the “left” is, “Republican”… apparently there are NO other oppositions.