Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez came out in support of President Joe Biden amid growing calls in the Democratic Party for Biden to drop out of the 2024 race.
I don’t think that’s a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don’t think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That’s at least a step in the right direction.
And I think Biden is going to lose and any of the shortlist names have a reasonable chance of injecting some life into the party and most importantly haven’t been fatally damaged, not by “a lackluster debate”, but by being unable to make coherent responses. Biden had lackluster debates in the 2020 primary, that didn’t invalidate him from being nominee, because it was just a poor performance, not indications that at least some of the time he’s incoherent.
You are assuming that the debate invalidated Biden for everyone else just because you feel that way. You also are very confident in your prediction of Biden losing, to the point of absurdity. Somehow you can predict the future now? Go on reference the “polls”!
All the (very liberal) late night hosts are making fun of him. Members of Congress are publicly saying he should step down. Donors are publicly abandoning him. Half of Democrats think he should step down. It doesn’t need to be everyone. He doesn’t have headroom to lose practically anyone.
Go on reference the “polls”!
I would never want to give you fake news. Stop the steal.
I’m just saying that not everyone thinks the president is some god king of America, and that democrats lead as a party anyways so what would it matter if Biden turns into a senile puppet until he dies, to be replaced by the next democrat who will follow the exact same policies as Biden was.
It just doesnt seem very dire. “What if he can’t keep a conversation soon!” Oh well, he can step down and kamala can take over.
Any democrat we replace Biden with for the election will have all the same issues with the same voter blocks. It seems like an over reaction both ways.
After the convention replacing the nominee becomes very hard, and we’d really like to not waste time with a nominee who can’t go out after 8 pm. And no, any replacement will not have the same issues. Not being able to campaign coherently is a major issue unique to Joe Biden. That’s huge. Campaigns are won or lost on the ability of the leader to sway people to their side.
I haven’t based any of my voting decisions on speeches in a long time. I just dont think thats a good way to learn about someone and their policies. I usually look to recent actions, and definitely Biden is a mixed bag, but the Democratic party is a mixed bag as a whole right now.
I’m seeing a lot of people pointing at what they see is a problem, but then posit no better solutions. I also dont think its right to expect perfection or bust like some others seem to say.
I do think its interesting that there are so many different opinions on all of this stuff. I’m not sure entirely why the different perspectives exist, I know they are all valid at least. For me, I see steady progress about as quick as I think possible, for others they might see no progress or backsliding, and at different speeds.
For me the right time to have chosen someone else besides Biden was in 2020. And I will also admit that I personally would vote for Bernie Sanders if he were running for president but I’m not sure he would actually perform better than Biden in voting nationally. I’d like to think he would, but I know some older voters who would vote for Biden wouldn’t vote for Bernie, so its hard to guess on.
I don’t think that’s a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don’t think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That’s at least a step in the right direction.
And I think Biden is going to lose and any of the shortlist names have a reasonable chance of injecting some life into the party and most importantly haven’t been fatally damaged, not by “a lackluster debate”, but by being unable to make coherent responses. Biden had lackluster debates in the 2020 primary, that didn’t invalidate him from being nominee, because it was just a poor performance, not indications that at least some of the time he’s incoherent.
You are assuming that the debate invalidated Biden for everyone else just because you feel that way. You also are very confident in your prediction of Biden losing, to the point of absurdity. Somehow you can predict the future now? Go on reference the “polls”!
All the (very liberal) late night hosts are making fun of him. Members of Congress are publicly saying he should step down. Donors are publicly abandoning him. Half of Democrats think he should step down. It doesn’t need to be everyone. He doesn’t have headroom to lose practically anyone.
I would never want to give you fake news. Stop the steal.
I’m just saying that not everyone thinks the president is some god king of America, and that democrats lead as a party anyways so what would it matter if Biden turns into a senile puppet until he dies, to be replaced by the next democrat who will follow the exact same policies as Biden was.
It just doesnt seem very dire. “What if he can’t keep a conversation soon!” Oh well, he can step down and kamala can take over.
Any democrat we replace Biden with for the election will have all the same issues with the same voter blocks. It seems like an over reaction both ways.
After the convention replacing the nominee becomes very hard, and we’d really like to not waste time with a nominee who can’t go out after 8 pm. And no, any replacement will not have the same issues. Not being able to campaign coherently is a major issue unique to Joe Biden. That’s huge. Campaigns are won or lost on the ability of the leader to sway people to their side.
I haven’t based any of my voting decisions on speeches in a long time. I just dont think thats a good way to learn about someone and their policies. I usually look to recent actions, and definitely Biden is a mixed bag, but the Democratic party is a mixed bag as a whole right now.
I’m seeing a lot of people pointing at what they see is a problem, but then posit no better solutions. I also dont think its right to expect perfection or bust like some others seem to say.
I do think its interesting that there are so many different opinions on all of this stuff. I’m not sure entirely why the different perspectives exist, I know they are all valid at least. For me, I see steady progress about as quick as I think possible, for others they might see no progress or backsliding, and at different speeds.
For me the right time to have chosen someone else besides Biden was in 2020. And I will also admit that I personally would vote for Bernie Sanders if he were running for president but I’m not sure he would actually perform better than Biden in voting nationally. I’d like to think he would, but I know some older voters who would vote for Biden wouldn’t vote for Bernie, so its hard to guess on.