The three deans include Cristen Kromm, the former dean of undergraduate student life; Matthew Patashnick, the former associate dean for student and family support; and Susan Chang-Kim, the former vice dean and chief administrative officer.
The suspension of the deans is the latest example of how Ivy League schools have moved to squash any speech critical of Israel or simply challenging the view that students who express pro-Palestinian sentiment are inciting antisemitism.
Columbia has been the spotlight of the student protest movement in solidarity with Gaza over the past several months.
They’ve done a great job of making the word antisemitism become so utterly baseless that I no longer react negatively to hearing it.
As this article reaffirms, it’s now used to refer to anything supportive of Palestinian peoples or critical of Israel.
If I was Jewish I’d be furious with Israel and these lobbyists.
At this point I hear “antisemetic” and just have to assume that the speaker is pro-genocide and assume little about the person they are talking about.
Which is what the people in favor if this genocide want and exactly what you shouldn’t be assuming it.
I’m not sure I follow. Can you elaborate?
I get that zionists probably want anyone who supports Palestine to be considered an antisemite.
But I don’t follow how those who accuse others of antisemitism would benefit from a belief that they (the accuser) are pro-genocide.The people in favor of the genocide are the Zionists. They want people to associate Israel and antisemitism. They want people to think about only their cause.
And so when things like what happened last week happen, people care a lot less or try to dismiss it: https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/us/cincinnati-jewish-cemeteries-vandalism/index.html
I’m even more confused.
I’ve read a lot of your comments and I generally agree with them/believe you have well-reasoned positions, so there’s probably more a foundational misunderstanding than a disagreement of opinion.
I’m understanding what you’re saying to mean that you believe zionists want Israel to be associated with antisemitism, but I don’t get how that association benefits them. I suppose I could see it as reinforcing a victim complex, that then can be used to justify their actions.
As a person who staunchly supports Palestine and believes Israel is not just currently committing a genocide, but has been since the inception of the state - I was horrified about that vandalism.
How would apathy benefit zionists?I also feel like the my assumption about the first statement doesn’t align with your statement of the second. The first is an increased sensitivity/awareness of antisemitism to justify genocidal actions for the sake of “safety” (or whatever), but the second is an apathy to antisemitism, which undermines the first.
I’m just… not getting it.
It benefits them because Israel is supposedly “the Jewish state” and because of that, any criticism of Israel is bigotry against Jews. And most people don’t want to be accused of bigotry, especially against a people who suffered a genocide relatively recently.
I’m really surprised this is not something you’re aware of, because it’s been going on for quite some time. Here’s an article about it from 2019, for example: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/07/debunking-myth-that-anti-zionism-is-antisemitic
Ah, thank you. That was the missing piece.
This might sound either self-adulating or naive (probably both), but I just don’t think like that. I view religions and nations as distinct - even nations that embrace a single religion. It’s just - Administrative systems for governance and the decisions that arise from those aren’t the same as religious belief systems.
My innate reaction to those who choose not to recognize a difference between hostility toward Judaism and hostility toward Zionism or Israel’s policies Is to think they’re an unserious person. (That’s a polite way of saying I think those people are complete morons.)
Note: Even though you’re discussing blurring those lines, I know you’re doing it for illustrative purposes. My sentiments above do not apply to you.It’s probably a good thing I’m not in politics or a publicly visible position, because I don’t have to tie my livelihood to the perceptions of folks whose judgment I find questionable. It would suck making those sorts of moral concessions.
I am.
Can confirm, am furious
Most Jews I have encountered are happily cheering for mass murder.
Seems like you’re hanging out with the wrong crowd. Almost all of the jewish people in my circles are actively protesting it.
anti-Semitic in 2024:
- Doesn’t support a genocide.
No, it means the same thing it’s always meant.
Why are people letting the pro-Israel groups control this narrative?
Comments like the one above make fun of how Netanyahu and the Israeli right use the term “antisemitism”, and how they want us all to use it in an absurd way that supports their political objectives and inoculates them against criticism. The comment attacks the Israeli right’s undermining of the notion of antisemitism, not the notion itself. To preserve our ability to call out actual antisemitism we must reject this politically motivated attempt to spread the concept so wide and thin that it loses all force.
I think that’s the point of comments like the one you’re replying to: they’re ridiculing the Israeli right’s narrative, not following it.
They’ve made it very clear in subsequent replies that if they read the word ‘antisemitism,’ they assume it means ‘anti-Israel criticism’ and that it’s the news’ duty to tell them when it doesn’t mean that.
As much as I don’t like it, language is highly adaptable and contextualized. The experienced truth of what the word means, has historically been very flexible, complaints dating back to the '80s about the ADL using the anti-Semitism term to simply mean not following the Israeli government party line demonstrates this.
Word inflation, is just part of the human experience. So the lived experience today, is if you hear antisemitism, it is almost certainly somebody saying hey hey hey maybe we shouldn’t genocide some people today
Okay, then what would you say we call an act like what happened in Cincinnati last week? https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/us/cincinnati-jewish-cemeteries-vandalism/index.html
Petty vandalism that had nothing to do with hating Jews? A protest against the Ohioan Jews who died in the 1800s for their support of the genocide in Gaza?
Or maybe we can all agree that the pro-Israel groups don’t get to own the language and antisemitism has meant what it’s always meant.
A hate crime.
Beating up a gay person is also a hate crime. We have a special word for that. Should we get rid of it?
No need to - “gay bashing” is unambiguous and hasn’t been used for decades to describe criticism of gay gangs that go around clubbing trans people to death.
Acknowledging that Zionists have robbed the word “antisemitic” of its meaning is the first step in reclaiming the word. The second step is to use other words to describe actual antisemitism so that people understand it still exists. The third is to refuse to allow Zionists to continue conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism.
You asked how to describe it, and I engaged with you in good faith to provide an answer. You responded with a second rhetorical device, and I engaged for the benefit of other readers. I won’t bother a third time.
[Edit: I removed the last paragraph after initially posting, being unsure I was responding to the same user in both cases. When I re-added it after confirming, I used slightly different language. Their quote of “rhetorical trick” below matches the original wording, and is a legitimate quote of my response]
I wasn’t going for any sort of ‘rhetorical trick.’ The word I was talking about was homophobia.
There is nothing wrong with having words for different types of bigotry to clarify what you’re talking about.
With that way of thinking any hate group can just remove every useful word by simply misusing it and having hapless people carry water for them trotting out the ole “language is mutable” line.
You know. Like they’re doing.
We can, as we are doing now, lamenting the The dilution of a previously very impactful word. By political groups who have an agenda
We can call acts of hate, acts of hate, we can call religious hate religious hate. But today, as expressed in the news cycle, anti-Semitism for the most part means antigenocide
Or we can, as I said, not let Zionists control the narrative by taking over that word.
Why are you willing to allow them to do that?
I’m just stating the reality is when I hear anti-Semitism in a news article, I have to read it assuming that it does not mean hate based on religion. And 80% of the time right now in the new cycle it simply means people who don’t support a genocide.
That is the reality as language is being used right now today.
In fact the trap is the opposite thing, arguing with people about what is and isn’t anti-Semitic is the trap. It means people are not talking about the genocide. They’re talking about philosophical debate of language, when quite frankly that doesn’t matter, what matters is people are being killed right now.
The reality is, again, you are allowing them to control the narrative by making that assumption.
You do not have to make that assumption. You are letting them control your ideas of what bigotry means.
In the article, Hain wrote "Debates about Zionism, one state or two states…are all welcome conversations on campus”, but he said statements of support for the “Palestinian Resistance” equated to the “normalization of Hamas…[and] a point-of-no-return moment at Columbia”.
So it’s OK to hold an abstract debate on the merits and demerits of Zionism, but quite outrageous to suggest the Palestinian people might not just accept being genocided without any fuss. If the thought that they might object to their own slaughter occurs to you, then you must hate Jews. This reasoning is nuts.
No no no it’s about whether Israel should exist or exist MORE.
In 2024 antisemitism means believing that mass murder is wrong.
I hate how when I see these sorts of headlines, I immediately think “oh, did they support Palestine?” whereas 5-10 years ago I’d assume they were a neo-nazi or someone in Trump’s orbit like Stephen Miller. Articles like this only further reinforce that thinking:
The suspension came after conservative news outlet, The Washington Free Beacon, leaked photographs of the three deans’ text exchanges which included one dean using two vomit emojis in response to a reference to an article published in the Columbia student newspaper by Yonah Hain, the campus rabbi, about students’ response to 7 October.
In the article, Hain wrote "Debates about Zionism, one state or two states…are all welcome conversations on campus”, but he said statements of support for the “Palestinian Resistance” equated to the “normalization of Hamas…[and] a point-of-no-return moment at Columbia”.
Yeah, that shit deserves at least two vomit emojis. Its OK to debate whether or not Palestinians deserve to live on the land that Israelis are throwing them off of, but supporting resistance against colonial oppression is frowned upon.
The fact that this is the only paragraph of merit and its buried 3 paragraphs below that bullshit in the article should tell you all you need to know:
In a separate text, Patashnick texted that one speaker was “taking full advantage of this moment”, adding “Huge fundraising potential”. In another exchange, the deans appeared to suggest that the parent of a Jewish student had access to Columbia administration because of her wealth.
One person calling out right wing grifting, and another insinuation that the deans were making old ‘jewish banker’-esque comments.That’s the best the article has.
I’m continually amazed at the bullshit the right gets away with.
Its crazy how even about 2 years ago if someone was accused of being antisemitic I’d think “damn, Nazi” and now whenever I hear it I just think that person is suckling Israel’s balls.
Which is what Israel wants you to think. Don’t let them have their way.
See? Freedom of speech! You don’t lose your freedom when you voice opinions critical of government policy, just your means of living freely.
Clearly the only measured response available is to glass the entire middle east from turkey to Yemen and leave nothing behind.
