• Lemminary@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I don’t know why people are looking at both of their performances at a debate when people can look at their performances as presidents.

    It’s honestly infuriating how everyone is struck on that like it means anything. All presidential debates gave always been awful. This is no exception and this time we have an alternative POV.

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      People probably are looking at their performances as president.

      The polls have barely budged since the debate. That tells you people aren’t really using debates to decide who to vote for.

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      I think Biden would make a pretty passable president because he’d be surrounded by a competent cabinet… but my opinion doesn’t determine the president (otherwise, we’d be on like year 16 of a Sanders administration).

      His debate performance was weak enough that I’m concerned Biden won’t beat Trump. Trump absolutely cannot win this election or any future one, he must be kept out of office. My concern isn’t about Biden’s performance once in office, it’s about Biden’s ability to gain the office.

      Honestly, I’m not going to give Biden a 10/10, but his last administration was pretty solid, like 7/10 level. He reacted extremely poorly to Gaza and has been underwhelming on labor but he’s gotten a lot of good shit done.

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        Anthony Blinken is the worst secretary of state in my lifetime.

        He is so incompetent that William Burns, the head of the CIA has been traveling all over the world for negotiations. Because Blinken is so bad, and not respected internationally.

        Biden’s foreign policy has been an absolute disaster. Aided, in part, by his choice of an incompetent cabinet.

        So, I guess what I’m saying is I’d like some of what you’re smoking. It seems like it is really really good for denial.

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      You can be a good president by hiding in your office and approving good policy made by your excellent team, but you can’t become president by doing those things, especially when you’re down. The nominee needs to be able to be coherent in public a lot, doubly so after having what appears to be a very public senior moment. People who have been around old people know that a few good days doesn’t mean their loved one is better, it just means they were good days.

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        a few good days doesn’t mean their loved one is better, it just means they were good days

        You say that as if he has dementia, which he does not. Why can’t we accept that maybe the debate was a “bad day”? Why are we pretending it’s now the norm for how he behaves?

        by hiding in your office and approving good policy

        Has he ever been that, though? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him speaking as much as any other president. I mean, the Dark Brandon stuff didn’t come out from him sitting behind his desk.

        Why are we pretending that Biden is a whole different person than he was even one year ago over this? It’s so insidious.

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          You say that as if he has dementia, which he does not. Why can’t we accept that maybe the debate was a “bad day”? Why are we pretending it’s now the norm for how he behaves?

          Because it isn’t a bad day. It was the standard for any time he isn’t in front of a teleprompter.

          Has he ever been that, though? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him speaking as much as any other president. I mean, the Dark Brandon stuff didn’t come out from him sitting behind his desk.

          This is just delusional. Biden has given the least number of news conferences since Reagan. Huh, do you remember what they were covering up with Reagan again?

          Why are we pretending that Biden is a whole different person than he was even one year ago over this? It’s so insidious.

          We’re not. Most people just got to see what has been apparent for a while now.

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          You say that as if he has dementia, which he does not. Why can’t we accept that maybe the debate was a “bad day”? Why are we pretending it’s now the norm for how he behaves?

          Why are you so sure he doesn’t have it? That sure looked consistent with early dementia. And we don’t need this to just not be the norm, we need it to be a single solitary event that never happens again. Uncommon bad days are too many bad days. He needs to be “on” too often to trust to chance that he’s never going to do this again.

          I mean, the Dark Brandon stuff didn’t come out from him sitting behind his desk.

          Dark Brandon was a meme coopted by his social media team for in-your-face policy. It had nothing to do with him speaking. And again presidents can just do policy and speeches at their own pace, candidates need to be interactive and ready.

          Why are we pretending that Biden is a whole different person than he was even one year ago over this?

          You haven’t had to have frequent contact with an elderly relative have you? A person that old absolutely can go from sharp as tack to having noticeable cognitive difficulties in a year. That’s a long time for an elderly person.

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            Why are you so sure he doesn’t have it?

            Huh??

            He needs to be “on” too often to trust to chance that he’s never going to do this again.

            Like the 4 years in office haven’t been enough. Did the debate wipe your memory or what? That’s so cynical.

            It had nothing to do with him speaking.

            It had everything to do with him speaking. Remember this from not too long ago? Even if this “social media team” coopted it, it had been around and memed about before that. Just because his aides did the awkward fellow kids salute doesn’t mean they’re the ones behind it.

            candidates need to be interactive and ready.

            This candidate is already in office and doing presidential things every single day.

            You haven’t had to have frequent contact with an elderly relative have you?

            You don’t know me and you’re already talking down to me like I haven’t had that terrible life experience. I wouldn’t be so confident if I were you. Especially when you say things like “That sure looked consistent with early dementia.” Like, bruh, you either know dementia from serving at a mental health center enough to diagnose people by their gait and to scold people off about it, or you don’t.

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              Why are you so sure he doesn’t have it?

              Huh??

              Maybe if I bold it you’ll answer the question. Why are you sure he doesn’t have dementia? You said he definitively doesn’t have it.

              You don’t know me and you’re already talking down to me like I haven’t had that terrible life experience. I wouldn’t be so confident if I were you. Especially when you say things like “That sure looked consistent with early dementia.” Like, bruh.

              That’s a “how dare you”, not a no. Anyone saying that an old person will be the same one year to the next hasn’t experienced that they very much can change over the span of a year. Like, that’s a crazy statement to make with regards to the aging of the elderly.

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                Maybe if I bold it you’ll answer the question.

                Oh, so you’re being nasty now. Ok. Because **obviously ** my confusion is about why you think it’s ok to be diagnosing people from your armchair and pretending that’s perfectly fine and not a completely unhinged thing to say as it shows your utter lack of tact and knowledge about the medical field. In short my “Huh??” means “Are you nuts?” Does that answer your question?

                Like, that’s a crazy statement to make with regards to the aging of the elderly.

                The only crazy statement I see is accusing Biden of dementia because you don’t like him. And you’re trying to bat on both sides. Like, to be so adamant that the disease progression is so fast-paced that it’s evident within a year, and yet there have been no definitive signs is trying to have your cake and eat it too. Try again when we have a diagnosis and it’s not you just spit-balling and trolling.

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                  You’re literally diagnosing him! “He doesn’t have dementia” is a diagnosis! And yeah, you definitely don’t have experience with aging. People change. Not all of them change fast, but that’s not what you said. You said it’s just a year, he must be the same. And that’s just not how it works.

                  But I think you’re an ignorant troll, you think I’m a mean troll. I don’t think either of use has any hope of satisfying the other, so respond or not, it doesn’t matter.

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                    “We don’t know”/“We can’t know”/“There isn’t enough evidence” is not a diagnosis. I’m not that clueless. lol

                    You said it’s just a year, he must be the same. And that’s just not how it works.

                    Nah, how it works is that there is a apparent change in behavior that can’t be explained by other means that is not only uncharacteristic but also unexpected for his age and capacity that is also consistent and characteristic of the disease. You got any of those from your expert observations in that armchair?

                    But I think you’re an ignorant troll

                    Oh, really? Because I’m the one with the degree in medicine. How about you?

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      Look at the names saying Biden should drop out because of this. It’s the same people in every thread. It looks coordinated.