Due to the wide range of possible human development, I’m sure there are some people who are actually incapable of being rehabilitated. I don’t think that’s typical, and I think rehabilitation should be the preferred option.
Yeah the solution isn’t no prisons, the solution is better prisons that focus on making folks ready for society again. When that’s not at all possible then lifetime in good living conditions is fine, maybe these facilities are more medically oriented than straight up prisons. Nordic countries are once again showing the way there.
Then they shouldn’t call it “prison abolition”. Leftists are horrible at naming stuff. “Reform prisons? No, let’s headline that we want to abolish them. Reform police? No, let’s say we should stop funding them and also make an acronym saying every individual cop is a bastard, which would basically turn anyone who has had a good experience with someone in the police against our movement”
To me, “prison abolition” sounds fine, since the new type of detention facilities would have very little in common with traditional prisons, the point of which is, mainly, punishment.
YSK, anarchists don’t want to “replace” police with community defense - they propose we actually acquire community protection while doing away with an institution whose job is to threaten our community.
Anarchists don’t want to replace a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs that threatens the community with anything because communities never needed a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs whose sole purpose is to threaten communities. So no replacement is required - what they want is the addition of community defense because that is something our communities have never had.
In fact, the first order of business for any form of community defense in our society is to protect the community from said group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs.
No… that wasn’t me. I have a gang of angry liberals following me around and downvoting everything I say - if you’re not appropriately hostile towards me, you get a downvote, too.
Leftists are horrible at naming stuff only because rightists deliberately misinterpret whatever they come up with. And then the rightist propaganda network parrots that fiction over and over and over.
I agree. But for people that can’t be rehabilitated, the “prison” should still provide them with a decent life. Not luxurious, but comfortable enough that thy can still be happy in an isolated environment.
Happy probably isn’t the right word but then again neither is really I think any word that exists in the English language, I don’t think we have a word that encapsulates the mere lacking of pain and suffering without any positive feeling in its place.
Nah, I’ll stick with happy. As long as they can’t harm others, even absolute dickwads should he allowed to be happy. Within reasonable limits in terms of cost to society in order to make it happen, of course.
Due to the wide range of possible human development, I’m sure there are some people who are actually incapable of being rehabilitated. I don’t think that’s typical, and I think rehabilitation should be the preferred option.
Yeah the solution isn’t no prisons, the solution is better prisons that focus on making folks ready for society again. When that’s not at all possible then lifetime in good living conditions is fine, maybe these facilities are more medically oriented than straight up prisons. Nordic countries are once again showing the way there.
Then they shouldn’t call it “prison abolition”. Leftists are horrible at naming stuff. “Reform prisons? No, let’s headline that we want to abolish them. Reform police? No, let’s say we should stop funding them and also make an acronym saying every individual cop is a bastard, which would basically turn anyone who has had a good experience with someone in the police against our movement”
To me, “prison abolition” sounds fine, since the new type of detention facilities would have very little in common with traditional prisons, the point of which is, mainly, punishment.
IIRC, anarchists typically want to actually abolish police departments and replace them with a novel method of security called community defense.
YSK, anarchists don’t want to “replace” police with community defense - they propose we actually acquire community protection while doing away with an institution whose job is to threaten our community.
I’m not sure I understand the distinction.
Anarchists don’t want to replace a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs that threatens the community with anything because communities never needed a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs whose sole purpose is to threaten communities. So no replacement is required - what they want is the addition of community defense because that is something our communities have never had.
In fact, the first order of business for any form of community defense in our society is to protect the community from said group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs.
Does that make it easier to understand?
Did you actually downvote me for saying that I wasn’t sure what you meant by what you said, or was that someone else?
Lol!
No… that wasn’t me. I have a gang of angry liberals following me around and downvoting everything I say - if you’re not appropriately hostile towards me, you get a downvote, too.
Leftists are horrible at naming stuff only because rightists deliberately misinterpret whatever they come up with. And then the rightist propaganda network parrots that fiction over and over and over.
I agree. But for people that can’t be rehabilitated, the “prison” should still provide them with a decent life. Not luxurious, but comfortable enough that thy can still be happy in an isolated environment.
Happy probably isn’t the right word but then again neither is really I think any word that exists in the English language, I don’t think we have a word that encapsulates the mere lacking of pain and suffering without any positive feeling in its place.
Nah, I’ll stick with happy. As long as they can’t harm others, even absolute dickwads should he allowed to be happy. Within reasonable limits in terms of cost to society in order to make it happen, of course.
Content? Not quite right but closer, maybe?
That’s the word I use with my therapist, so I think it works.