Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go “Lemmy is getting worse and worse,” or “I’m leaving Lemmy,” or worse, “I’m leaving for Beehaw.”
If you’re using Beehaw, then you’re using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don’t like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don’t get our terminology right.
Kbin and Lemmy are both based on ActivityPub, but they don’t use each other.
I don’t think the drama has been only around BeeHaw, the existence of Kbin itself is mostly because of the Lemmy devs being holocaust deniers, believing in “white genocide”, and stuff like that. I also wasn’t convinced at some point until I was pointed at the receipts, see the “Read right here” comment on this post: https://lemmy.world/comment/562635
Am I missing something? They’re specifically saying the opposite of what you said - that the Holocaust happened and that white genocide isn’t real. The statement “Are you a white genocide denier?” is mockery, not an actual inquiry.
Oh, right. So, they’re Uyghur genocide deniers. And North Korea supporters too apparently. Which… I mean… isn’t much better.
That part does seem to be true, and yeah, it’s not great. As far as I can tell, though, nothing about their ideology can really affect Lemmy. If it wasn’t open source, or was flooded with ads to monetize it, I would probably be in the anti-lemmy camp. But (so far) that’s not the case, and as long as that remains true, I don’t see much of a problem with the platform as a whole.
Ironically, Lemmy being decentralized like it is is pretty antifascist. Not gonna try to parse out how fascist sympathizers justified that in their world view, but I’m not complaining.
Yeah, I haven’t read to much into the history of the developers, other than a lengthy summary of posts that someone posted a few days ago. But he seems to be strongly anti-censorship, which would have to be a modified form of fascism.
Yeah, that’s fair. I’m staying on Lemmy following the same line of thinking; but I cancelled my monthly donation to them, thinking it would sure be swell if they ran out of money and have to transfer the reins of the project to other people, at which point I’d donate again.
And if they don’t and Lemmy just dies because of the lack of funds because of who they are, I’m thinking it’s not the end of the world either, because there’s Kbin to take over that’s awfully similar anyway.
They’re getting external funding: https://nlnet.nl/project/Lemmy/index.html
Yeah, they get paid depending on the features they deliver; which may or may not be what the community needs, particularly as time-sensitive issues get discovered. Also, what they get paid amounts to below minimum wage. They explain it in a bit more detail here: https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout
So, very different from donations, which come reliably periodically with no strings attached, and can scale very well as usage grows.
I’ll donate in your place comrade.
I’m surprised you people are still carrying the torch for the “uigher genocide” story when the west that was propagandizing using it dropped it entirely
This isn’t just a news story that lasted a few months and then went away.
It’s hard for international news sources to get accurate information of what’s going on in the Xinjiang area thanks to the CCP’s military police controlling the region, but there’s still been a steady drip of information that clearly shows that the Uyghur population are being oppressed and their culture being stamped out.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
https://theintercept.com/2021/02/03/intercepted-china-uyghur-muslim-surveillance-police/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/asia/china-uyghurs-xinjiang-genocide-report-intl-hnk/index.html
https://theintercept.com/2023/04/21/hikvision-leaked-tape-uyghur-surveillance/
Where is the evidence in any of these stories? nothing is presented in the second piece showing the database mentioned exists. The testimony in the second piece is from a man with ties to uigher organizations in Washington DC that were founded by the CIA through the NED. The last one is about a second hand statement on the language of a report produced by a company contracted by the Chinese government. That is four degrees removed from the alleged crime. The steady trickle of information has been so weakly evidenced and inconclusive which doesn’t make any sense for the scale of the crimes alleged.
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