So many ‘both sides are the same’ memes by Blue MAGA trying to voter shame like they do ever election year. We don’t live in a democracy, we haven’t in awhile. Another example of the plutocracy surfaced today…

  • Diva (she/her)
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    2 months ago

    “Somewhat cruel” is an incredible spin to put on the first genocide being broadcast around the clock like this.

    Those are our weapons being supplied to do terrible things and people have a right to be upset.

    Honestly it’s incredible that you are trying to do a lesser-evil kids in cages routine with me in the face of the tens of thousands of dead kids and their families in Gaza. Biden was desperately sending weapons to Israel while everyone could see what was happening with it. That is why people are upset and trying to paint it as ‘single issue voters’ being blind to the bigger evil is kind of ringing hollow.

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      If one candidate for mayor was friends with a murderer, and it was pretty obvious to everyone that he’d been protecting his friend the murderer and even sold him the gun, and kept talking about how he was a good guy – BUT, the other candidate was torturing cats in his basement and also talking about once he’s mayor and he has control of the town’s police force he needs to start killing or torturing everyone’s cats, and also some of the people, I think I would vote for the murderer’s friend. If those were the only two options. It’s nothing to do with cats versus people. It’s what one person does versus what a different person’s ally does.

      I realize that analogy is not a real ringing endorsement for Biden, but yeah, it’s fair; Gaza and Biden’s support for Israel aren’t real ringing good things about him. But, I do feel it’s still very relevant the difference between what Trump did on purpose himself, and plans to continue to do and accelerate the perpetration of, and what Biden’s not doing enough to prevent some different person from doing.

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        You keep characterizing the role Biden is playing in this genocide as “not doing enough to prevent some different person from doing” and while garbled, it belies a tremendous dishonesty.

        Biden has bypassed congress to get weapons to Israel numerous times, he had it bundled with must-pass legislation and this entire situation was made non-negotiable by his own hands.

        By trying to apologize for his complicity to the point of badgering people to vote your party you implicate yourself in these crimes.

        I suggest you do some introspection on how you write off the lives of tens of thousands of people because in my opinion you’re making it very clear that ultimately you see some lives as expendable. As a potential coalition partner in your voting block that doesn’t give me hope that if protecting my rights became politically inconvenient that we also wouldn’t be written off in such a way.

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          Let me put it this way: If there was a candidate in this election who didn’t want to give weapons to Israel (I mean, if voting for them wouldn’t just be functionally a vote for Trump), I’d be on 'em in a heartbeat. In the primary I wrote in Bernie Sanders.

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            2 months ago

            That’s what I mean, you’ve written them off as “going to die by our hand anyways” and expect me to want to be complicit too, it’s not a great motivator, nor does it inspire loyalty.

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              I don’t think I would recommend loyalty to any American politician. Even for the ones I like, that’s just not how I look at it.

              In any case though, cheers + all the best