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minus-squareIrateAnteater@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up34arrow-down13·5 months agoI don’t care what system you implement, staying alive is going to require labour. We’re nowhere near utopian sci-fi style post scarcity yet.
minus-squareCowbee [he/him]linkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up36·5 months agoLabor is required, having a Working Class and an Owning Class is not. Workers can share ownership.
minus-squareCoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down3·5 months agoYou can start your own worker’s collective. I’m sure many liked minded people would like to join a company were risk and reward are shared equally.
minus-squareCowbee [he/him]linkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down1·5 months agoI think that would be nice, but individual microcosms of a better system are woefully insufficient.
minus-squareLiz@midwest.sociallinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1arrow-down2·5 months agoI do wonder what fraction of .ml actually tries to unionize their workplace or start a cooperative. Probably higher than most groups, but I’d wager it’s still embarrassingly low.
minus-squaredb0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up37arrow-down4·edit-25 months agohuman labour is a matter of nature until and if post-scarcity is achieved, although I would argue it doesn’t have to be “work”. It can just be fun. Wage slavery on the other hand, isn’t. It’s a human construct enforced through incredible violence.
minus-squareDogWater@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4·5 months agoI think there is an important distinction between what is required of a human to exist and what a capitalist society refers to as labor lol We get closer to post scarcity everyday. Just depends on if society collapses or rather we get passed this great filter.
I don’t care what system you implement, staying alive is going to require labour. We’re nowhere near utopian sci-fi style post scarcity yet.
Labor is required, having a Working Class and an Owning Class is not. Workers can share ownership.
You can start your own worker’s collective. I’m sure many liked minded people would like to join a company were risk and reward are shared equally.
I think that would be nice, but individual microcosms of a better system are woefully insufficient.
I do wonder what fraction of .ml actually tries to unionize their workplace or start a cooperative. Probably higher than most groups, but I’d wager it’s still embarrassingly low.
human labour is a matter of nature until and if post-scarcity is achieved, although I would argue it doesn’t have to be “work”. It can just be fun.
Wage slavery on the other hand, isn’t. It’s a human construct enforced through incredible violence.
I think there is an important distinction between what is required of a human to exist and what a capitalist society refers to as labor lol
We get closer to post scarcity everyday. Just depends on if society collapses or rather we get passed this great filter.