way to go canada. slowly turning to the ‘fuck humans’ mentality of the united states.
The difference is that the US fucks its citizens where here it was someone not legally here.
Not the best outcome - the country should bankroll the healthcare and then charge it back to the guy’s home system - but painting this as if it’s America is - and I know this firsthand - very different.
seems youre infected with the same conservative virus.
Oh we have it. We’re trying to get rid of it as it’s all just displaced Texans.
I hear the UK is also infected.
Theirs manifests as a “we’ll split the system and let the best doctors run pricy private clinics for rich people”. That’ll be us in Alberta now, and then everywhere if the cruel blues win the election.
personally, i am happy to have my taxes pay for undocumented, non-tax-paying humans who need healthcare… mostly because i care about humans regardless of their tax paying status and that i dont think any humans should have to pay directly for healthcare.
‘fair’? whatever.
this guys experience is actually a step backward not forward. stop thinking backwards.
Same here and I felt the same way when I saw the story in the news.
I’d rather see tens of thousands of dollars spent on taking care of the medical needs of a human being than in paying tens of thousands of dollars on another bureaucrat or politician flying around the country attending conferences or expensive meetings.
We have more than enough money and resources to pay for the medical needs of everyone in the country regardless of their status or situation … it’s the creeping privatization of our medical system and institutions that makes it so unaffordable and needlessly complicated and difficult to maintain.
Just south of us are 26million uninsured people who desperately need healthcare and 100million in medical debt. We can’t afford to support them, nor do i really want to more directly support america. So how do we, from a legal point of view, differentiate between the small sustainable group of people above vs the potential huge group of people, niether would have paperwork, both need help.
This isn’t just concern trolling, if you have a genuine answer to that question I’m all ears, but I have 0 doubt in my mind that if there’s a backdoor way for Americans to get canadian healthcare they will take that option en mass.
I think the best way to solve the program of the undocumented workers above is to make the path to legal immigration easier to transfer into and to grant medical coverage earlier in the immigration process.
if the person needing help needs a non urgent medical care … then you can spend the time and energy defending the merits of legality and funding
if the person is losing, has lost their limbs for whatever reason and treatment will further affect their long term well being … then treat them due to compassion and don’t send them into a bureaucratic hell hole
Another option is to send the bill to the employer. The guy has already paid enough with losing two legs, and the employer should be responsible since they took a risk by hiring someone without legal status.
“Was working illegally” as if they somehow forced an employer to pay them under the table instead of hiring a citizen. As if their income would even qualify for any significant tax revenue.
It takes two to tango, employers pay payroll and insurance tax as well.
But, I also agree. People who do not pay their fair share of taxes (even if that fair share is $0) should not benefit from the services those taxes enable.
Now you must agree billionaires and corporations should also stop receiving government subsidies because they are not paying their fair share, right?
Same thing goes for conservative regions that historically suck up funding while contributing none, right?
Anything else and you would just be a hypocrite lying about why lesser classes should be treated worse; that would be terrible!
Now you must agree billionaires and corporations should also stop receiving government subsidies because they are not paying their fair share, right?
Nope. If they’re not paying their fair share, they need handcuffs.
Same thing goes for conservative regions that historically suck up funding while contributing none, right?
Nope. Humans get what they need. If the cons running a region say no, then they also get billboards.
Anything else and you would just be a hypocrite lying about why lesser classes should be treated worse; that would be terrible!
Every Canadian or landed new-comer needs equal healthcare access. Everyone pays as per their income (and we spend almost as much as we should spend putting the cheaters in cuffs) to fund the consolidated service that leverages its size for discounts (why don’t the cons love that?)
Just here to say as an unproud American that the vigor and strength and TRUTH with which you are speaking is exactly what is missing here. If it doesn’t affect them, they are willing to look past it, and the country is corroded and corrupted because of it. People like you give Earth the chance to be a great place
way to go canada. slowly turning to the ‘fuck humans’ mentality of the united states. seems youre infected with the same conservative virus.
I hear the UK is also infected.
The difference is that the US fucks its citizens where here it was someone not legally here.
Not the best outcome - the country should bankroll the healthcare and then charge it back to the guy’s home system - but painting this as if it’s America is - and I know this firsthand - very different.
Oh we have it. We’re trying to get rid of it as it’s all just displaced Texans.
Theirs manifests as a “we’ll split the system and let the best doctors run pricy private clinics for rich people”. That’ll be us in Alberta now, and then everywhere if the cruel blues win the election.
Undocumented visitor, so I’m assuming no visa. Was working illegally and not paying taxes.
Still received treatment instead of being deported. I feel that’s fair that he has to pay for the treatment.
personally, i am happy to have my taxes pay for undocumented, non-tax-paying humans who need healthcare… mostly because i care about humans regardless of their tax paying status and that i dont think any humans should have to pay directly for healthcare.
‘fair’? whatever.
this guys experience is actually a step backward not forward. stop thinking backwards.
Same here and I felt the same way when I saw the story in the news.
I’d rather see tens of thousands of dollars spent on taking care of the medical needs of a human being than in paying tens of thousands of dollars on another bureaucrat or politician flying around the country attending conferences or expensive meetings.
We have more than enough money and resources to pay for the medical needs of everyone in the country regardless of their status or situation … it’s the creeping privatization of our medical system and institutions that makes it so unaffordable and needlessly complicated and difficult to maintain.
Just south of us are 26million uninsured people who desperately need healthcare and 100million in medical debt. We can’t afford to support them, nor do i really want to more directly support america. So how do we, from a legal point of view, differentiate between the small sustainable group of people above vs the potential huge group of people, niether would have paperwork, both need help.
This isn’t just concern trolling, if you have a genuine answer to that question I’m all ears, but I have 0 doubt in my mind that if there’s a backdoor way for Americans to get canadian healthcare they will take that option en mass.
I think the best way to solve the program of the undocumented workers above is to make the path to legal immigration easier to transfer into and to grant medical coverage earlier in the immigration process.
On a case by case basis for the moment
if the person needing help needs a non urgent medical care … then you can spend the time and energy defending the merits of legality and funding
if the person is losing, has lost their limbs for whatever reason and treatment will further affect their long term well being … then treat them due to compassion and don’t send them into a bureaucratic hell hole
Thanks for the downvotes. Good to see that Lemmy doesn’t care about having reasonable conversations.
I’ll show myself out.
if you let voting affect your discourse then youre correct; youre far too sensitive to take part.
Another option is to send the bill to the employer. The guy has already paid enough with losing two legs, and the employer should be responsible since they took a risk by hiring someone without legal status.
“Was working illegally” as if they somehow forced an employer to pay them under the table instead of hiring a citizen. As if their income would even qualify for any significant tax revenue.
It takes two to tango, employers pay payroll and insurance tax as well.
But, I also agree. People who do not pay their fair share of taxes (even if that fair share is $0) should not benefit from the services those taxes enable.
Now you must agree billionaires and corporations should also stop receiving government subsidies because they are not paying their fair share, right?
Same thing goes for conservative regions that historically suck up funding while contributing none, right?
Anything else and you would just be a hypocrite lying about why lesser classes should be treated worse; that would be terrible!
Nope. If they’re not paying their fair share, they need handcuffs.
Nope. Humans get what they need. If the cons running a region say no, then they also get billboards.
Every Canadian or landed new-comer needs equal healthcare access. Everyone pays as per their income (and we spend almost as much as we should spend putting the cheaters in cuffs) to fund the consolidated service that leverages its size for discounts (why don’t the cons love that?)
Anything else is un-Canadian.
We’re an exporter of it, former PM Stephen Harper is currently the chair of the IDU which promotes it globally.
That fucking asshole is never gonna go away, is he?
Doesn’t seem like it…sigh
Just here to say as an unproud American that the vigor and strength and TRUTH with which you are speaking is exactly what is missing here. If it doesn’t affect them, they are willing to look past it, and the country is corroded and corrupted because of it. People like you give Earth the chance to be a great place
So we’re expexted to provide fully for any Tom, Dick or Harry that shows up?