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- technology@hexbear.net
Some of Reddit’s most popular communities have posted open letters to the company with a series of requests regarding many key issues at the heart of the recent protests on the platform. They want a response by June 29th.
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It’s way past this point now. Had reddit done this back when the shutdowns were first planned that would be one thing, but at this point they’ve demonstrated they can’t be trusted, they don’t care about their users or mods, and they’re only interested in anything they think will increase the their profit margins for the IPO. If you aren’t an investment firm they don’t give a single shit about you past whatever damage you might do to their IPO plans.
I’ve already moved on from Reddit. I’ve deleted all of my content and unsubbed from about half of everything I cared about. My feed is completely pruned and even then only about a quarter of it is OC not posted by bots or click bait titles.
Plex just recently reopened it’s sub for another vote to reopen or go restricted and the amount of support to stay open is sickening. Everyone left has become so dependant on the platform that they can’t see leaving it, which is exactly what Reddit was hoping for with this.
I was curious so I went and looked. Wow.
They’re inconvenienced so it should all end and we should all give up.
Really hope they’re never part of any union I’m a part of.
Same here – I deleted my content twice. It’s still there 🤷♂️. My accounts are gone though!
Also a poll at this point doesn’t make much sense since the people who are still there probably don’t care about everything that has happened so of course they’re going to vote to reopen.
Yep, that ship has sailed. Time for the mods to go make their own reddit, (with blackjack and affordable api) and leave that one to burn itself down.
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Yeah, the behavior by spez and the company as a whole afterwards was abysmal. Trying to gaslight Christian was the last straw for me (lucky he had the call logs). It went from “I’m going to use reddit much less because my third party app is being killed” to “I actively hate this company and will go out of my way to avoid giving them any money at all”.
The actions of the admins after the initial blackout were why I moved over to Lemmy.
Honestly it’s too late to turn back.
The apps have already announced they are shutting down. Any attempt now to reverse course and beg the app developers to not leave would be making them return with a Damocles sword constantly hanging over their head.
Reddit showed their hand already, and it’s just all Wild Draw 4s. They are here to ruin everyone’s day and they cannot be trusted.
Yep, I feel exactly the same. I created and moderated about 10 smallish communities as well as moderating a few large ones 500k+, 2 of which i was the sole active mod. I’m done, admins can go fuck themselves.
100% agree. There’s nothing they could do at this point. I’m done.
undefined> Reddit is a cesspool.
I totally agree with you. In my case, I did not realize how much of a cesspool it was. I just got used to sifting through trash. I started using this platform and it has more interesting content. It has less content, but I think that’s OK. Sometimes less is more. I don’t feel like I’m scrolling endlessly through posts that are either lazy, superficial, or just not worth reading. Over here I’ve decided to avoid communities that look like they are migrations from subreddits because, low and behold, one of them had the same low-quality content with the same users posting the same kind of crap. For me, Lemmy is refreshing.
I’m sure reddit will get right on that.
¯\(ツ)/¯
In the internal letter to their employees, spez said :
We absolutely must ship what we said we would.
The way I see it some promise has been done by spez and they definitely won’t change their minds.
Third party apps are just dead that’s just how it is.
They’re simply not going to be able to get that work done in the timeframe they said it’d be done. They’re going to proudly claim that they’ve shipped it but when they release it it’ll have the narrowest possible scope you can imagine - actually, no, it’ll be narrower than even that. It’s going to be missing major functions because reddit simply has no idea the things they need to put in, much less how to accomplish it.
Plus it’s going to be super-bug-filled. But they’re going to declare “Mission Accomplished”, and say that anyone who doesn’t like the new app is just anti-reddit, doesn’t know understand what they’ve released, doesn’t understand how to work things, etc, etc.
Fuck spez.
"The Chinese that bought our company demand we track everything. They gave us until July first to close down 3rd party apps or they pull our funding and reddit is dead. " Probably what is going on.
Sounds like the kind of thing you’d say with the expectation, and I dare say, hope that it would be leaked.
It’s nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now. It’s personal for spez now, and the company is simply going to barrel on and ignore all these letters and everything. They’re committed to their stance now, and they’re going to simply wait it out, until all the opposing people have left/been kicked out and all that is left of reddit the community are those who either still support them or who don’t care. It’s sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
It’s nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now.
They never were. They have the numbers. They knew there was money to be made by killing off 3rd party apps. They knew they would piss people off. Really all they care about are the folks that subscribe to Reddit and/or use the native app. They view everyone else as a parasite. They made the calculation that killing 3rd party apps would have a small enough impact that it was worth it in the long run. That is all they wanted. They probably didn’t count on the level of outrage they would create. They surely expected some, but definitely not this. They are in it for the long haul though. They will just wait people out to see what the damage actually is and then one day in a month or two they will talk about how minimal the impact was and how they saw very little loss of readership.
They are not in it for the long haul. It’s all about the IPO.
It’s sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
I’d pour one out for dear old reddit, but I’m already moved on.
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reddit the company is never going to budge now.
It will be interesting to see what happens after Friday, I wouldn’t be surprised if when the mobile apps stop working, it will have an even more significant impact than we have seen so far.
imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
It’s been for a while IMO, I deleted my account a couple of years ago, and reduced my use to a couple of links to a few subreddits exclusively for lurking.
Dude reddit isn’t for you. It is okay. It is a business and they have a right to do whatever they want with their business, but IDK how many more ways they can say “You aren’t important to me” before people stop saying “But I should be important to you!”
I don’t think that the people who provide the content and the people who moderate the content are wrong in thinking that they should be accorded some respect by a site that would be worthless without that content.
They’re not wrong at all, but Reddit aren’t going to change their mind and grant them their due respect. Like with Digg before it, the userbase will slowly migrate away if this keeps up.
Are you by any chance active on the WA discord?
I am indeed! And a lot of other places. Good to see you around the net.
This might be the first time I’ve seen someone I know from one place on the net and recognize them on another part of the net. Haha, small net!
It’s fun, right? That’s actually part of why I use the same name everywhere - I’ve had friends from a decade ago find me on Twitter and go “hey, did you play Runescape…?”
Makes the world feel a little less lonely when you find the faces and names you know!
Reddit has told them all to fuck off in a variety of ways for months.
At some point you gotta take the hint instead of trying to make peace with the abuser.
Yeah, I don’t think they’re saying that users aren’t important to Reddit; what they seem to wanna say is that Reddit doesn’t care whether or not users are important to them.
The only thing you can do at this point is quit, because Reddit will only budge when it’s too late for them.
What does the green tick next to your name mean?
$8/month Patreon supporter
Bad idea, this looks like Stockholm syndrome to me.
Reddit has already shown they will screw everyone over, and no amount of blowback so far has gotten them to change course.
Leave (and optionally try to give Reddit as much hell as possible on the way out). That’s the only answer now.
I don’t think there is any redemption either, even if u/spez is removed. He’s not the first bad head of the company, if anything the company has never had any good heads.
I made a script that changes all my old comments to gibberish, but I haven’t used it yet. I can’t decide if it’s a good idea or not. I’m not saying that my old comments are extremely useful, but I wouldn’t want to prevent people from reading or having context or any help I’ve given.
If you want to do that you might try doing it very slowly as minor edits. Like swap, add, or delete a couple of words in several posts per hour, and just let the script run for long periods, gradually degrading the usability of your comments over time.
I don’t know if that would trigger whatever process Reddit is using to restore comments when users delete them, but there’s got to be some detection algorithm they are using that could be avoided while also, eventually, nuking your content.
Sometimes if you get it to go too fast subs will ban you thinking you’ve used a bot so don’t let it go wayyy to fast also… what if you just change them all to say random stuff which changes periodically but all of the also say fuck u/spez because my understanding is that comments containing u/spez are being auto deleted by bots at this point… maybe that’s the most effective way to make that content actually disappear without repopulation
They will simply roll your edits back.
Dont give them the clicks
Just move on
Maybe delete your account
All deleting your account does is remove your username from your comments while also removing your ability to delete or edit said comments. It makes more sense to keep it active so you have more control over your data.
Yeah, reddit is restoring bulk edits made using the api but you can still go to your user profile, sort by top scoring comments, and manually change your top 10-20 comments
I used PowerDeleteSuite on mine and the edits are staying in place so far
So you used it to only edit instead of delete? If it’s possible I might give it a shot
Yep you can just edit all comments without deleting. I used to use the original version, but it didn’t work this last time due to their rate-limiting. Using that forked version with the delay worked, but it took a long time.
And gives you a reason to stop visiting the site.
The data stopped belonging to you as soon as you posted it*
*unless you live somewhere GDPR applies or like california•*
•and if reddit actually complies•
Even if reddit backpedals, many of these communities are now irreversibly fractured. From the ones that went dark and had moderation replaced, or creators left, to outright posting porn or shitposting John Oliver, all of these communities will take time to fix and go back to normal for every reason under the sun. Half of reddit is on fire and just as so, you can heal from a burn but it’s never the same.
This abusive relationships has evolved again, and spez is still hitting you now he’s burned you. To use Louis Rossmans words “it’s not even about the api anymore. Look how the entire company acts when they’re told they’re wrong. Look how much they will do. How far they will go. Do you really want to invest your time or money as an investor in a company it’s own users are actively trying to burn down?”
These mods are in an abusive relationship with Reddit. Like abusive husbands / wives, they are not going to change. Leave
Interesting how the first thing I felt when I read this was, “I hope Reddit doesn’t”.
Incredible how fast my fondness of Reddit went away in 1 week.
Agreed. Among many things, the whole debacle seemed to expose that no significant roadmap space was actually dedicated to improving the user experience. I saw the turn time on accessibility. Good luck actually developing all the stated improvements in the middle of summer. Even if they literally reversed on everything I still wouldn’t good back.
That’s been obvious since new reddit was released. Nobody asked for that. And the video player has been broken since it was released too. The chat has been full of spam since day one.
It’s a platform whose time to die has arrived. The corpos are getting their hands on it, and nothing punk can be done with it anymore.
Fuck corpo shit. Burn corpo shit.
My hope is that all this drama makes the IPO not happen.
My hope is that all this drama makes the IPO not happen.
Nah, it would be better if IPO happens and the company’s value evaporates overnight.
Probably wouldn’t happen, but one can dream.
Go look at Robinhood’s stock chart since its IPO.
Robinhood got on our bad side, remember? We did some hella punk shit on Reddit.
Nowadays you can’t use reddit like that. Bots, paid shills, shadow bans, silenced subreddits, co-opted mods, and now you can’t even take your sub dark in protest. You’re either a profitable end user or entirely unwelcome.
Edit: typo
It’s time to stop begging and start leaving.
Agreed. I think we need to establish a better migration system for users. It’s honestly extremely easy to get set up on, say, lemmy.world. it took me a couple minutes to make an account, download apps, and log in on my computer and my phone.
I think a lot of redditors are afraid of having to learn a new thing and word on the street over there is that the federated communities are hard to understand. We need to let them know it’s not that bad and provide easy steps to migrate. I think if they actually know how painless it can be, more would migrate.
Not to mention, many users just look at /r/all anyway, so they won’t even need to worry about subscribing or navigating away from their local instance. I’ve been trying to include some very basic steps to get started and then, if they are so inclined, they can learn more about how the federation works as they go.
Gotta say, I thought it sounded a lil complicated at first. I’d heard ‘Lemmy.world’ mentioned a few times, so I came over and signed up…. And that’s it. There wasn’t anything complicated at all. Been here a few days now and loving it so far.
Exactly… but at the same time, i like smaller communities, so if most of those people want to stay on reddit, let em.
Yeah its really tough in that regard. There was a lot of small communities that were hands down some of my favorites. Takes years for those kind of things to build.
Gotta start somewhere though.
It’s too late. Hopefully Reddit dies.
I see where you’re coming from but I hope Reddit doesn’t die. Yes this situation sucks, but there’s a lot of valuable information on Reddit after years of indexing everyone and anyone’s questions. Killing Reddit is akin to burning down the library of Alexandria (Not nearly as sever, but I’m sure you get the picture.)
At least before Reddit dies, I hope we find a way to archive at of that user data.
Idk, the pure volume of content could outweigh the library of Alexandra and Bagdad. Its not just memes, but every from text support, ask historians and pure input from people.
I think there should be archives available until march: https://archive.org/details/pushshift-reddit-2023-03/
Relevant username
From the article
Reddit didn’t immediately reply to a request for comment. According to Reddit spokesperson Tim Rathschmidt, “We’ll no longer comment on hearsay, unsubstantiated claims, or baseless accusations from The Verge. We’ll be in touch as corrections are needed.”
Fucking fuck me sideways
Verge literally laughing at Reddit for that exact statement: https://www.tiktok.com/@verge/video/7248607902544448811
Just stop moderating them already. Don’t go dark. Reddit will revert. Don’t make it NSFW to stop ad profits. Reddit will revert. Just. Stop. Moderating.
Let it fill up with nudes and hate speech and then sure, let’s have Reddit forcibly remove you. They’ll pull in a new team of mods but if they’re just picked out of the blue, they’re unlikely to find the time and energy necessary to do it well because this takes passion and many teams were assembled carefully over time with votes and selection processes for a reason. It’s often a team effort of passionate people. Moderating poorly risks putting the subreddit on collision course with the community but hey that is Spez and gang’s problem, not yours.
I don’t think there is any other language that Reddit understands than this. Mods – take a breather and see what the world has to offer. It’s not just all about Reddit.
Exactly. Stop moderating and remove any auto moderating bots. That’s it. Let Reddit self destruct.
Reddit will then replace them, as they’ve threatened and reiterated through all of this
I don’t see the point. If we’ve learned one thing already, it’s that the users must control the platform. And that can never happen with Reddit
This feels very much like a “when someone shows you who they are, believe them” type scenario. Even if Reddit backtracks and courts 3rd party apps in their eco-system, they’ve shown themselves. They don’t care about communities, users, or mods.
When your abusive partner promises to stop beating you, you should not go back to the relationship. They will beat you again.
Looking at a subreddit that I joined right now, there is a poll about the future of the subreddit and the protest and 53% are to stay open.
MANY in the comments see the protest as useless and that it “hurts the community”. While I agree with the point that it locks users out from the subreddit, especially for tech support, I can tell you that they all don’t really care about this.
I also have seen someone create a replacement subreddit for the private one just to fill the gap.
And looking at all those Awards being given out in the posts about the AMAs and such, I have very little hope that something will change on Reddit’s side.
I think, all the mods of those subreddits just pack up and leave to the alternatives like lemmy and let the Subreddits rot.
