It just struck me that we devote a lot of time explaining why Orwell was terrible and racist and misogynistic and aristocratic, but we don’t even need to attack the author to convince baby leftists that this book is deeply unserious.

Look at most decent dystropias, they all criticise the status quo by exaggerating one aspect of a society to a logical extreme. Brave New World is about capitalistic hedonism, Hunger Games is spectacle and inequality, Handmaid’s Tale is about patriarchy. All existing defects of the status quo.

Now , the society in 1984. Is it patriarcal? Not that much more than 40’s England. Is it racist? It kinda looks like racism or antisemitism aren’t a big deal. Is it expansionnist? It does have a thing with war but there is no conquering any kind of new space. Is it colonial? Given how barren the economy is, maybe England even lost its Empire. Is it unequal? Everyone is miserable in a way, nothing like billionaires owning everything imaginable. Is it full of illusions of fake freedom? No it’s really explicit about how unfree and intrusive it is.

So basically, this dystopia takes the status quo and does not highlight any of its current problems. So what problems does it have? Basically it takes the ONE thing western regimes pride themselves about and it removes it as hard as possible: freeze peach. It’s just that, Orwell simply tells you : imagine how horrible it would be if we lost the one thing that this system is worshipping the most. He takes the most consensual thing in his current society and tells people that we should really keep doing it hard

So don’t go for shit throwing contests with people who think 1984 is good. Simply show them the message it conveys!

  • deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml
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    6 months ago

    https://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm

    From Isaac Asimov’s review

    Many people think of 1984 as a science fiction novel, but almost the only item about 1984 that would lead one to suppose this is the fact that it is purportedly laid in the future.

    Not so! Orwell had no feel for the future, and the displacement of the story is much more geographical than temporal. The London in which the story is placed is not so much moved thirty-five years forward in time, from 1949 to 1984, as it is moved a thousand miles east in space to Moscow.

    You’ve kinda reinvented the wheel, there, bud, but still, good reminder…

    • lil_tank@lemmygrad.mlOP
      20·
      6 months ago

      The London in which the story is placed is not so much moved thirty-five years forward in time, from 1949 to 1984, as it is moved a thousand miles east in space to Moscow

      Yes everything that is said in this review is great, I just want to point out that Asimov was referring to technology here while I was talking about societal issues criticised via the dystopia archetype.

      I think that beyond noticing the anti-communist obsession of the author, this review doesn’t address the issue of the core messaging as a dystopia.

      Basically what I’m saying is that even a baby leftist who isn’t deprogrammed of anti-communism could see that 1984 is made to make you terrified of changing anything, which also applies to electoralists and anarchists