• Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
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    It’s crazy how suddenly you guys see Hamas as the good guys all of a sudden. I can tell you about all their atrocities and rapes, but I’ll just get hit back with whataboutisms. Even if you point out that there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, people downvote cause they see Hamas as heroes, which is insane.

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      So I gotta ask, I been seeing people throw around the rapes again and it can’t possibly be the debunked nyt stuff right?

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        You realize this shit has been going on for like 7 decades right? Nyt debunked all of it? No they didn’t

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          Oh you’re talking about all Hamas’ atrocities and rapes over the last 70 years.

          Hamas, the organization founded in ‘87.

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            The Muslim brotherhood suddenly changes its name in 87 and you all think it’s a whole new thing lol

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              The Muslim brotherhood exists presently. Right now.

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                  The Protestant reformation famously was a bunch more than Martin Luther “changes [the churchs] name”.

                  That’s also a pretty bad comparison because both Catholics and Protestants treat each other as something different.

                  Even non-Christians see a significant difference.

                  What are you trying to say? Clearly metaphor and simile aren’t working right now…

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      When one side has committed such vast amounts of resources towards villainy, comparatively, it tends to make the other guys look better.

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        Have you even heard of Yasser Arafat or the history of the region? It’s like you kids just tuned in to the latest episode and made your decisions about who the bad and good are. All, EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR of Hamas resources go to rockets to shoot at schools and towards their own goals of ethnic cleansing. But you weren’t being told to be outraged for the last 6 decades, so you didn’t give a fuck till Instagram told you to.

        Even if I say there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, I get dowvoted. Because you can’t accept that Hamas is bad, you just can’t.

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          I don’t use Instagram. I don’t use tiktok. Lemmy and mastodon are all I really use and I’m only on mastodon for the funny stuff. I know very little of the history of the area, and I’m not a history buff. Don’t care to learn. What I know is from the news (which can still impart biases of their own of course). Yes hamas is bad. The Israeli government is just as bad. They are using their military advantage to bomb families and starve children. They are committing genocide and we’re supposed to accept this because some of the people they kill are also bad? Fuck that. The atrocities committed by each side are on different scales. It doesn’t take much character to denounce genocide.

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          Have you even heard of Yasser Arafat or the history of the region?

          We did, but let’s hear your explanation.

          All, EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR of Hamas resources go to rockets to shoot at schools and towards their own goals of ethnic cleansing

          Correction: Every single dollar of Hamas’s resources goes to rockets that force Israel to spend ridiculous amounts of money to stop them. They can also be used in saturation to deal more serious damage to Israel’s economy, as they are right now by forcing evacuations for some one hundred thousand people. Now it’s not pretty, but you won’t be taken seriously if you don’t acknowledge the reason they’re launching these rockets.

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            do you really think that Hamas would stop launching rockets if Israel stopped intercepting them?

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      It’s easy to be the good guy when your opponent is genocide. I don’t think many people consider Hamas good people in a vacuum.

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          I literally said otherwise. At this point you’re just looking for an argument or want to believe everyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist supporter.

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            I mean you’re upset about genocide but you never cared that Hamas wrote it into their Charter from the beginning that their goal was the genocide of the Jewish descendants and their extermination from the middle east.

            So you only cared about genocide until recently.

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              Uh… I do not, in fact, like Hamas or the general state of anti-Semitism in the middle east. I just recognize that it’ll only go away after, not before, Israeli Apartheid. Also Hamas updated their charter in 2017 to accept a two-state solution so… Yeah.

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        Pretty much. These are the same college kids who like to tell me what should be offensive to me as a Latino. They don’t realize that them jumping in to defend me against invisible discrimination, is their own form of white supremacy and colonialist attitude. “this brown person should be offended at that man wearing a sombrero, and only I a young educated white kid can defend him!”

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        I’ve been saying it for years. Zoomers are dumb. We have statistics to prove it. For years, people have been saying “oh gen z is so accepting, so progressive”. Yeah but that doesn’t matter because they’re stupid and stupid = easily manipulated.

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          Nah. No dumber than previous generations. Fuck, man, do you remember the internet in the 2000s and 2010s? Millennials and Gen X weren’t any brighter. And the Boomers had lead poisoning.

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            Idk. Boomers told millenials not to believe everything we see on TV.

            Millenials were quick to get skeptical about everything and applied that logic to the internet as well.

            However boomers appear to be believing everything they see on social media / news broadcasts.

            And Gen Z appears to believe everything they see on TikTok.

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      That’s just tankies doing tankie things.

      Every fault can be excused, as long as you’re an enemy of the US.