• Cowbee [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    No, the state will get worse regardless. I want people to strike, unionize, organize, and pressure the state as best they can, and I do believe revolution is the best way to get there, but I don’t think the path there is to intentionally vote for bad policy so everyone suffers even more, lol.

    Like I said, I will almost certainly be voting for Biden, but the idea that Biden is “slow, positive change” cannot be the prevailing thought process if we want actual change to occur. Biden is slow, negative change while Trump is fast negative change.

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        7 months ago

        You’re remarkably bad at reading.

        Capitalism is in decline. Continuing Capitalism continues this decline. Slight bumps upward on a downward trend line does not reverse the dowmward trend. Make sense when put that way for you?

        Would it kill you to actually engage with leftist ideas, rather than run away the second you don’t have an actual response, by the way?

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          7 months ago

          Biden is slow, negative change

          Verbatim. So Biden is not bad for the nation? It’s an upward trend? And this is…bad?

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            7 months ago

            Reading is hard for you. Biden has occasional upward ticks on an overall downward trend, he isn’t an upward trend. If the ship is sinking and you don’t fix the holes, there isn’t an upward trend.

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                7 months ago

                The country is getting worse, and he is not reversing that trend. By maintaining Capitalism, he is participating in making it worse. Occasionally he comes out with a nice act or law, but within the broader context of the direction the country is going, it matters little.

                I’ve said the same thing 3 times now, you’re not getting another.

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                  7 months ago

                  Okay. So it’s impossible for Biden to make anything better unless he undoes capitalism? Any good things he does are overshadowed by capitalism?

                  Isn’t that a bit dogmatic? You’re mistaking the means (socialism) for the ends (better society, happier people).

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                    7 months ago

                    He can alleviate some of its pains, but he cannot make things better overall without moving towards Worker Ownership.

                    I am not mistaking the means for the ends, the ends are achieved via means, and if Capitalism is currently continuing to decline then the ends cannot be achieved without moving towards Socialism.

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      7 months ago

      So the path forward is killing people? Because that’s what revolution entails. Once the killings start they tend to be indiscriminate and less about idealism than consolidating power. There’s a long history of revolution, and I can’t think of a single one that didn’t go off the rails and devolve into insanity. What makes this revolution you’re dreaming about different?

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        7 months ago

        Revolution is the only way to meaningfully change whichever class is in power. It does not need to be violent, it can take on any number of forms.

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          Can you give an example of when a revolution wasn’t violent? Just one. Ever. In the history of humanity?