There is a big difference between mild NSFW and full on porno. Suppose there is a News story with photo/video but it’s a little bit graphic or violent. Nobody is jacking off to that. Maybe shouldn’t view it at work, but in the library is fine.
Maybe it’s a funny meme pic but there’s a nip slip situation going on. No biggy; it should probably be tagged NSFW. Probably don’t want it showing up at actual work. But I want to enable this kind of content away from work without a bunch of actual porn showing up in my feed.
There should be a porn tag. It’s not the same as NSFW.
EDIT: The two main devs have done some amazing work here, but as I understand it they are totally booked for the foreseeable future. My rust chops aren’t quite up to snuff (yet) and my frontend chops are non-existent, so it might be a quite while before I’m up to speed enough to make a meaningful contribution. In the meantime just thought I’d point out the issue.
I’m trying to create a healthy porn community on lemmy. And the hostility of lemmy towards it is worrisome in my opinion. People are calling for de-federating lemmynsfw, people file false reports on my NSFW-only communities, the majority of instances ban porn,…
IMHO, there should be only two tags “NSFW”, “NSFL”. (= Not Safe For Life, meaning gore) There was this running-joke on reddit last year “when I was younger ‘NSFW’ on /r/all meant boobs, now it’s most likely a video of a bomb being dropped from a drone blowing up russian soldiers.”
I don’t think we should rate the degree of NSFW or NSFL. Where is the line? I assume a topless lady is NSFW, not porn. But is a fully nude woman or man NSFW, or porn? If it’s still “just” NSFW, what about two fully naked men holding each other penises? Or a woman on her knees looking at a penis without touching it, with her mouse open? This is a very fine line.
I’m in favour of most european broadcasting laws: visible nipples are fine as long as they’re not sexuality, but “16” or “18” rating is recommended. Visible anus, vulva or penis makes “18/Unrated” mandatory, whether there is intercourse or not.
I would translate this to lemmy to “anything with nipples, anus, vulva or penis visible is NSFW, regardless of intercourse” No grading of “NSFW” or “porn.”
The biggest issue I have with defederating is that you basically exclude every member of that instance from discussion on other instances even when they keep their nsfw post completely within their own instance.
If I’m on Instance A that defederated Instance B because it’s NSFW friendly, then I also can’t see comments from members of Instance B in completely unrelated comunities on other Instances.
From what I see, that specific post was only because it sounded like lemmynsfw would allow loli. For me the biggest issue is that the porn would occasionally flood my front page because of that one bug (that got fixed), I really don’t want to see porn when I’m just browsing (but I have nothing against it existing on Lemmy).
For me what makes something porn would be the intent: is it made/shared for sexual arousal. Something can be porn without any nudity, and you can have any amount of nudity without it being porn.
Exactly. It is the intent behind the content. Full nudity does not equal porn. Covered sexual organs does not mean it is not porn.
Exactly this. Regardless if it’s softcore or hardcore, porn or lewd is nsfw. I don’t mind that stuff at home, but even blurred out images I don’t want my coworkers walking by.
NSFL stuff I generally never want to see, at least not as someone I randomly scroll by
Don’t get me wrong, I think there should be porn on lemmy. It’s great. I just don’t want to get kicked out of the library. Or have a situation where I’m on the train/bus and some toddler is in the seat behind me looking over my shoulder.
I agree that the de-federation and attitude is worrysome, but I disagree on your stance towards more tags. Servers that disallow NSFW now, might choose to allow NSFW but not porn. Servers that allow NSFW now, are likely to keep allowing both. Servers just don’t want to deal with liability and weird protocol quirks showing people stuff they don’t want, so they’ll ban any category that’s likely to include stuff they don’t want. More fine-grained tagging means they can ban a smaller selection of things.
I’m all for various kinds of tags to indicate why someone might not want to view certain content.
The calls for defed was because there was some talk that you allow drawn underage content? That’s not people being hostile towards porn, it’s being hostile towards creepy predatory behavior.