• solstice@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    If you’re talking about eminent domain, the gov has to pay fair market value for the assets it takes, at least in the USA. So you’re just flat out wrong using that as an example because in this context you guys are talking about the government forcing someone to provide something to somebody else for free, or just seizing their property (!) to do it themselves.

    I’m looking for you to be able to articulate a specific rule or set of rules with hard numbers and thresholds that applies to literally everyone. You can walk around all you want saying rich people are big bad meanies and should give this poor woman free housing. But it turns out people will always act in their own rational self interest, and until you can figure out a way to codify your values into law, you might as well be writing letters to santa. I wish everything were perfect and nobody wants for anything, but the universe just doesn’t work that way. It’s hard to believe there are so many people naive enough to not know this by now.

    I’m definitely in the wrong place because all I’m hearing is a bunch of morons.

    • lath@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Guess you only read what upsets you.

      Yes, if their own wellbeing isn’t dependent on that property, with a reasonable compensation for their loss.

      You want hard numbers from people who don’t have hard numbers, who didn’t take statistics, economics or specialize in this domain. If you want hard numbers, go get them from where they’re available and accurate, talk to the people who can give you exact results, in percentages or whichever method you need. Then come back and let us bunch of morons reject it all on the basis that the numbers are rigged.

      Let’s keep it simple here. The owner wanted to evict an old lady. 93 years old. Was she rich and just didn’t want to pay or was she poor and wasn’t able to pay? Was she able to go somewhere else specific or was she to be thrown out in the street without a care? The context matters. Here, it’s the difference between losing a potential income and likely causing someone’s death. There’s no contest on what the priority should be. Don’t like it, raise hell with those in power, not the powerless.