• DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    What do you mean? If my choices are have less goods but capitalists also don’t get any or have a nicer life and some capitalists will have unfair luxury, I am not petty enough to choose option 1.

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      Those weren’t the options. The options were “Needs are freely taken care of, and soon Light Industry should take off, increasing consumer goods in the long run” or “Needs are expensive, and even though wealthier people have more access to luxury goods, the majority of people struggle more.”

      Capitalists gain off the backs of workers, not out of a vaccuum. Again, 7 million people died due to liberalization, literacy rates dropped, home ownership dropped, and debt increased.

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        2 months ago

        Sorry, but if these were not the two options then why did the USSR collapse? This seems to not line up at all, though I don’t have time to look into the numbers right now. I will later.

        Edit: Also technically, even if it was true, it would confirm my point about democratically run industries.

        The USSR is making heavy investments in industry to improve its economy. It causes so much unrest USSR falls apart -> people will not voluntarily choose short term sacrifice for long term gains.

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          2 months ago

          Please, feel free to look it up.

          The USSR was dissolved illegally. 77% of people wished to preserve Socialism. Liberalizing was a long process, and was done by some of the more corrupt members of the Politburo alongside the US, especially Reagan and Gorbachev. The idea that the USSR collapsed because Socialism was unpopular is fabricated and does not represent reality.

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            Ok, now I know you are making shit up. Czechoslovakia had to be bloody invaded after the people rebelled against communism. Almost no one here wanted communism and there is still plenty people from that time alive to call you on your bullshit.

            The USSR had to put a wall through Berlin and shoot people climbing it to keep people from running away and some still did.

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                2 months ago

                I live in the Czech republic. All I need to do is not be blind and deaf to know that statistic is bullshit.

                PS: If you want to know the real statistic, the Czech Republic still has a communist party. It has 3.6% of the vote resulting in 0 seats.

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                  2 months ago

                  No, you need to check the actual statistics. I am not denying your lived experience, but encouraging you to look at actual polling.

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                    2 months ago

                    So there is a statistic with a larger sample size and more rigorous methodology and oversight than the official election?

                    PS: IMO either the poll took a biased sample, or it fell prey to standard Czech trolling. In the latest official census, in the religion field, Jedi was 4 times more common than Islam.

                    PS2: Do you have the poll methodology? Sample size, where it was taken, etc?